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The dhimmicrats are now making noise about 'what if no charges are brought against the cop'.
In fear of that real possibility, they are really trying to force a decision NOW. To hell with fact, with an investigation, with truth, they just want action against Officer Wilson, and they want it NOW.
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FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) � Conditions calmed this week in Ferguson after nights of sometimes violent unrest stemming from the fatal shooting of a black 18-year-old by a white police officer. But a delicate and crucial question lingers: What happens if the grand jury now considering the case doesn't return a charge against the officer?


The fear among some local residents and officials trying to maintain peace in Ferguson is that failure to charge the officer could stoke new anger among a community profoundly mistrustful of the legal system. Many say they just hope the grand jury's decision, whatever it is, has irrefutable facts to back it up.

U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill told The Associated Press she's pushing for federal and local investigations to be completed around the same time so that all evidence in the case can be made public � a step many consider important should prosecutors decide not to charge the officer. Her office said Friday that the Department of Justice hasn't given a timeline for the federal investigation, which centers on whether a civil rights violation occurred when officer Darren Wilson fatally shot the unarmed Michael Brown on Aug. 9.

McCaskill, a former prosecutor in Missouri, said she's hopeful the physical evidence in the case � including blood spatter patterns, clothing and shell casings � will provide "incontrovertible facts" about what happened during the shooting. She said whatever local prosecutors decide, it will be important to explain the decision by providing that physical evidence, and that won't be possible if the federal investigation is ongoing.

McCaskill said she urged Attorney General Eric Holder during a meeting earlier this week to speed up what is typically a lengthier federal process.

"What we want to avoid is a decision being made without all the information being available to the public also," McCaskill said, adding that not being able to do so could "create more stress and certainly much more fear that we would be back to worrying about people being able to protest safely."

"Obviously all of us are concerned not just about that this process be fair, but what does this next six months look like?" she said.

Gov. Jay Nixon, in an interview Friday with the AP, didn't say if he agreed with McCaskill's call to conclude both investigations at the same time. He said the full focus is on seeking justice.

"To me it's one you've got to get right. Just got to get it right," he said.

On Friday, the streets of Ferguson were calm for a third night as a small stream of protesters marched but also talked with police about their concerns over the shooting and police tactics.

Many residents who live in the Ferguson, eager to end the disruptions to their lives caused by protests and police presence, say they fear the community's anger will explode anew if Wilson isn't charged.

"This officer has to be indicted. I'd hate to see what happens if he isn't. The rioting, the looting, man ...," said resident Larry Loveless, 29, as he stopped at the memorial for Brown where he was killed.

Missouri Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson, who has been in charge of keeping watch over the protests in Ferguson, declined to say whether he is concerned about the potential response should no indictment be returned.

"I really don't deal in what ifs," Johnson said. "If I were going to put negative what ifs on this community, that's not fair, and it becomes a matter of pre-judging."

St. Louis County prosecutors this week convened a grand jury to begin hearing evidence in the case, despite concerns among some in the community � including Brown's parents � that the office would not be impartial because of District Attorney Bob McCulloch's ties to law enforcement. McCulloch's father, mother and other relatives worked for St. Louis police, and his father was killed while responding to a call involving a black suspect. He has said he will not remove himself from the case.

Considering the racial tensions of the case, even the makeup of the grand jury was being closely scrutinized. Two black women and one black man are on the 12-member panel, along with six white men and three white women, said Paul Fox, director of judicial administration for St. Louis County Circuit Court.

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Without specifically mentioning the grand jury's racial makeup, the Brown family's attorney, Benjamin Crump, said the panel "works perfectly" as long as the prosecutor presents the necessary evidence and doesn't withhold information.

Finishing both the federal and local investigations simultaneously would be unusual because federal investigators typically work independently of their state counterparts and at their own pace, said Paul Cassell, a former federal judge who is a University of Utah law professor.

"That is one of the advantages of a federal investigation. They tend to have a little more distance from the police officers who are being investigated. That provides some assurance of objectivity," he said.

He said prosecutors must avoid considering the potential reaction � even a violent one � on whether to file charges in any case. He said they must make "a dispassionate judgment uninfluenced by public opinion."

The most likely state charges that will be considered in such a case include second-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter, he said.


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I don't know - demanding transparency to me is going to give the protestors little room to talk [bleep] and get all worked up. If no charges are filed against the cop and it looks like they are hiding something the riots will just start up again.

To be honest, I doubt they just drop everything at once. I bet they'll string it out just to keep to wear the protestors and potential rioters down.

They already know they can't go after the cop based on the evidence, so they're just dragging their feet in an effort to make the crowd lost interest.


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The only reason the violent protests subsided in the first place was credible accounts of the autopsy and witnesses that said Brown did attack the cop. Along with the video that shows their alter boy robbing the store...

"Justice" and what THEY want are often two different things.

You can replace the word "justice" interchangeably with "revenge" or "persecution", and you have the idea of what they want done.


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I do not think they actually know the meaning of the word "justice". There are a lot of words they don't know the meaning of. "Racist", "opportunity" and "prejudice" come to mind. Black guy robs convenience store (unknown to cop). He acts kinda weird, so cop checks it out. Black guy attacks cop, almost knocking him out, and fracturing an eye orbit. Black guy tries to get cop's gun (presumably to kill him). Cop shoots black guy, as he is being attacked again. 6 shots. They make it sound like it is unusual, but the cop probably only had seconds to unload, stopping the threat. WTF did the cop do wrong? I do not see it.

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The violent protesters likely can't read or write.

They quit because they got tired and ran outta chit to loot.


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No charges and they'll burn down their own 'hoods nationwide. Silly nigroes.

I can't wait, it'll be good TV.

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Originally Posted by Mannlicher
The dhimmicrats are now making noise about 'what if no charges are brought against the cop'.
In fear of that real possibility, they are really trying to force a decision NOW. To hell with fact, with an investigation, with truth, they just want action against Officer Wilson, and they want it NOW.

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FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) � Conditions calmed this week in Ferguson after nights of sometimes violent unrest stemming from the fatal shooting of a black 18-year-old by a white police officer. But a delicate and crucial question lingers: What happens if the grand jury now considering the case doesn't return a charge against the officer?


The fear among some local residents and officials trying to maintain peace in Ferguson is that failure to charge the officer could stoke new anger among a community profoundly mistrustful of the legal system. Many say they just hope the grand jury's decision, whatever it is, has irrefutable facts to back it up.

U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill told The Associated Press she's pushing for federal and local investigations to be completed around the same time so that all evidence in the case can be made public � a step many consider important should prosecutors decide not to charge the officer. Her office said Friday that the Department of Justice hasn't given a timeline for the federal investigation, which centers on whether a civil rights violation occurred when officer Darren Wilson fatally shot the unarmed Michael Brown on Aug. 9.

McCaskill, a former prosecutor in Missouri, said she's hopeful the physical evidence in the case � including blood spatter patterns, clothing and shell casings � will provide "incontrovertible facts" about what happened during the shooting. She said whatever local prosecutors decide, it will be important to explain the decision by providing that physical evidence, and that won't be possible if the federal investigation is ongoing.

McCaskill said she urged Attorney General Eric Holder during a meeting earlier this week to speed up what is typically a lengthier federal process.

"What we want to avoid is a decision being made without all the information being available to the public also," McCaskill said, adding that not being able to do so could "create more stress and certainly much more fear that we would be back to worrying about people being able to protest safely."

"Obviously all of us are concerned not just about that this process be fair, but what does this next six months look like?" she said.

Gov. Jay Nixon, in an interview Friday with the AP, didn't say if he agreed with McCaskill's call to conclude both investigations at the same time. He said the full focus is on seeking justice.

"To me it's one you've got to get right. Just got to get it right," he said.

On Friday, the streets of Ferguson were calm for a third night as a small stream of protesters marched but also talked with police about their concerns over the shooting and police tactics.

Many residents who live in the Ferguson, eager to end the disruptions to their lives caused by protests and police presence, say they fear the community's anger will explode anew if Wilson isn't charged.

"This officer has to be indicted. I'd hate to see what happens if he isn't. The rioting, the looting, man ...," said resident Larry Loveless, 29, as he stopped at the memorial for Brown where he was killed.

Missouri Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson, who has been in charge of keeping watch over the protests in Ferguson, declined to say whether he is concerned about the potential response should no indictment be returned.

"I really don't deal in what ifs," Johnson said. "If I were going to put negative what ifs on this community, that's not fair, and it becomes a matter of pre-judging."

St. Louis County prosecutors this week convened a grand jury to begin hearing evidence in the case, despite concerns among some in the community � including Brown's parents � that the office would not be impartial because of District Attorney Bob McCulloch's ties to law enforcement. McCulloch's father, mother and other relatives worked for St. Louis police, and his father was killed while responding to a call involving a black suspect. He has said he will not remove himself from the case.

Considering the racial tensions of the case, even the makeup of the grand jury was being closely scrutinized. Two black women and one black man are on the 12-member panel, along with six white men and three white women, said Paul Fox, director of judicial administration for St. Louis County Circuit Court.

Resident John West (L) hands a rose to a police officer, showing his appreciation with help in clean �
Without specifically mentioning the grand jury's racial makeup, the Brown family's attorney, Benjamin Crump, said the panel "works perfectly" as long as the prosecutor presents the necessary evidence and doesn't withhold information.

Finishing both the federal and local investigations simultaneously would be unusual because federal investigators typically work independently of their state counterparts and at their own pace, said Paul Cassell, a former federal judge who is a University of Utah law professor.

"That is one of the advantages of a federal investigation. They tend to have a little more distance from the police officers who are being investigated. That provides some assurance of objectivity," he said.

He said prosecutors must avoid considering the potential reaction � even a violent one � on whether to file charges in any case. He said they must make "a dispassionate judgment uninfluenced by public opinion."

The most likely state charges that will be considered in such a case include second-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter, he said.



Of course. Dimocraps function strictly on an emotional level. Facts and the rule of law mean nothing to them.


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The fear among some local residents and officials trying to maintain peace in Ferguson is that failure to charge the officer could stoke new anger among a community profoundly mistrustful of the legal system. Many say they just hope the grand jury's decision, whatever it is, has irrefutable facts to back it up.


It doesn't matter what the actual facts are.

If the cop is not tried and convicted, they will make the riots last week look like child's play... With Sharpton leading the way.

I suspect it'll be an epic [bleep].

Whole thing stinks of the Zimmerman case.



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Libs, Dems, nwa, sac and msm want to see nothing less than pure mayhem.


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Originally Posted by eyeball
Libs, Dems, nwa, sac and msm want to see nothing less than pure mayhem.


I'm kinda ready to have an end to that crap myself.

As long as they get away with it, and have their asses kissed by politicians, they will continue to do that.

It's time they learned a hard lesson.


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even the few BLACK guys I know are laughing about how stupid the people of that area and our goverment leaders look

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You mean like this? I have shared one other video from this guy but he dang sure gets it. No this was not the preacher video that went viral.

Zonation gets it

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Some questions not addressed by the media..

Do any of these "protesters" have jobs? If so, how did they get all that time off....

Why did the violence/rioting/looting occur only after dark? Is it because cockroaches fear the light?

Were there bruises on MB's throat from the strangle-hold his bud said Wilson had on him as he "tried to drag him into the car"?

Does it seem reasonable a cop of Wilson's physical stature would try to drag a 6'4' 280 lb guy into the car through the window while at such an obvious physical/positional disadvantage?

Is "justice" a code word for "revenge"?

"presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" with all kinds of black LAWYERS spouting off about "execution" of a proven by convenience store video, but unconvicted felon. The word/viewpoint goes unquestioned by the media... How about "justice" under the law for Wilson? Like perhaps an indictment and/trial if appropriate?


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The fear among some local residents and officials trying to maintain peace in Ferguson is that failure to charge the officer could stoke new anger among a community profoundly mistrustful of the legal system. Many say they just hope the grand jury's decision, whatever it is, has irrefutable facts to back it up.
Therein lies the problem. If our system works as designed, when there are NOT irrefutable facts, there are no charges or conviction. A conviction is only supposed to happen when the evidence is beyond any shadow of doubt.


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and yet the point of this thread, is to show that regardless of outcome, Missouri dhimmicrats want a conviction of Wilson. Period. End of discussion.
It is of paramount importance, to see that seeking truth, facts or justice, are NOT goals for the liberals.


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Sam, I couldn't agree with you more. Just another element of the dumbing down, instant gratification society. Nobody stops to explain, educate, or push back against the "sound bite" of the current media and political operative (think democrat).


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It can't work, the way it was designed, in a case like this, because of the massive inherent conflict of interest. The government is accused of committing a crime, so the government decides whether there should be an indictment. Then the government will conduct a trial, and pronounce a sentence. You can't reasonably expect anyone to accept that as justice. Sometimes people do, because of their childhood government indoctrination, but you can't depend on that.


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What you can't reasonably expect is that people who equate the word "justice" with the act of looting will somehow give a sh*t about the facts.

How many of that type knew OJ did it but still cheered when he got away with murder. Justice. Don't make me laugh.

Revenge isn't correct either. Revenge for what? Being caught? That is what happened to Trayvon and look how that went.

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What you can't reasonably expect is that people who equate the word "justice" with the act of looting will somehow give a sh*t about the facts.

Not defending looting here, but the reason there's looting is because there's no expectation of justice. There are certainly more effective ways of handling the lack of an expectation of justice than looting; not arguing that. But if you bring in enough troops to stop the looting, the lack of faith in the government's version of justice will remain, and it will come out in some other--probably more destructive--way.

I suspect that one of the biggest reasons those folks are rioting and looting is because they don't have rifles or the training to use them from concealment. If they did, things would look a bit different. When a white community full of military veterans loses as much faith in government justice as the black community in Ferguson has, you'll see what I mean.


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Originally Posted by Mannlicher
Missouri dhimmicrats want a conviction of Wilson. Period.

Most likely they don't care, they just want to be known as being down with the blacks to get votes
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