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What are the pro or cons in using a 3 groove barrel for a high velocity 6.5 diameter barrel. I have read some things suggesting a 3 groove barrel will tear up the thinner jacketed bullets like the Bergers or match type bullets? What say you? I will one day need to rebarrel my 264 win mag. I just want advice on how to evaluate my options. Thank you, john.
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Just me - but I'd stick with 5 grooves... At the same time, take 2 mns and dial up Dan Lilja and ask for his advice..
My experience is - he knows his stuff..
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Not a 264 mag. but I have 3 Lilja 3 groove barrels and they all very shoot very well.
1 is a 260 AI and it shoots 123 SST's and 123 AMAX at 3090 consistantly under .75 MOA out to 500.
They all seem to clean up pretty easy too.
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3-groove barrels are reputed to last a little longer than barrels with more grooves. Might be a consideration in something like a 264 WM...
BTW, 264 WM and Berger bullets seem like kind of an odd combination in my book, unless this a coyote rig.
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The second of the two custom rifles I have had built is a 257 Roberts with a Lilja 3 groove barrel. It is also the most accurate rifle I have. Impeccable accuracy and easy cleaning.
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I do not have a 3-grooved 264Win.
But I have yet to own a 3-groover that I didn't LOVE and they are my preference,by goodly margin.
Lilja 3-groovers do nice things.
Hint..................(grin)
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BTW, 264 WM and Berger bullets seem like kind of an odd combination in my book, unless this a coyote rig. To have been a member since 2004 you must have been hiding under a rock for a long time. I am not arguing bullets but if you search JohnBurns you will have more than enough to read about on how effective the .264WM can be with the Berger Hunting VLD...and not just on coyotes. I am currently running a 5 groove Pac Nor on my .264WM and have no complaints. When I toast it I will probably go with a 3 groove for S&G's.
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I've a couple of 264s with Lilja three groove barrels.
I'm a fan, but I don't shoot Bergers...
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Berger's have never shown me schit...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Berger's have never shown me schit............... Maybe you need a new watch... 
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As a minimum!..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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How many groves in the Butt Out tool?
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Same as The Watch and Cough Silencer.................(grin)
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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You guys amaze me. Amount of grooves make no difference. I have had from 3 groove to 8 groove. When you get a good barrel you get a good barrel. Most of us can't shoot as good as our barrels anyway.
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bitch,
You are in over your head.
Yet again.
Laughing!..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Built a 284 with a Lilja 3 groove, not disappointed.
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I just asked Dan Lilja a similar question a couple of weeks ago. I'm building a 25-06 and he said he'd use a 3 groove. Barrel was ordered on the spot.
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Imagine that..............(grin)
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Though he should have nudged you,1-8" 3-groove in 243Win.
Hint...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Already got one of those. My only other 3 groove bore and its a keeper. Never had a bad Lilja.
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