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Whether you agree or not, as I stated, unless you feel you need to shoot something over 355gr, a 1-38 will get it done. Been there, done that.

If a 355gr 444 load won't kill it, I'd suggest a larger cartridge.

Why not a 1-20"? Because I like the older Marlins better. Just like I like my Winchesters to be pre-64s. The new ones have no soul.......
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444P or a cutdown XLR

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If it has a brake you can keep it.

Is that what the P suffix stands for.......porting? It should stand for pussy. Marlin 444P Pussy Edition. Because that's what it is.

XLR=Stainless and laminate.........makes me wanna hurl. I can do stainless, but not on classics. I don't do laminate on anything. The XLR is dogshit.......

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Your mommas a pussy, and your kids dogshit laugh

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Your mommas a pussy, and your kids dogshit


You just crossed a line that we don't cross here. What a lowlife POS you are. Proximity is everything. Your're lucky it's on your side at this moment.......

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Wow, opinions can be strong!

I happen to like laminate, not so with porting, but that's what I consider my prerogative.

Y'all can set your guns up as you wish, ain't costing me anything.

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IMO---Laminate is heavier than both wood and synthetic. It is not as durable as synthetics, and not as pretty as wood. It is the best of NEITHER world.

As for stainless, why doesn't Marlin at least bead blast it? Not that I would prefer it then either, but toting around shiny things while hunting makes no sense to me on any level. Again, JMO.

Just another attempt to sell guns by trying to turn something into someting isn't. Leverevolution ammo is a joke, and so are the guns for which it is contrived.

At least you can convey your opinion without insulting someone's family. Guns are just guns. People are people.

The only thing more lacking than Johnny's knowledge of firearms, is his lack of class. Not only are his comments in poor taste, so are his preference of firearms..........

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You crossed the line first pussnut! Just letting you know how bad it sounds when you sling crap like you did. My proximity can be wherever you want me.

Regardless of caliber, stock type, metal, metal finish, bullet performance, you have no tolerance for other opinions.

You drew first blood smartass.

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Are you such an ignorant POS that you cannot discern the difference between dogging on a firearm and and insulting another member's family?

You aren't worth wasting my time on. I do not threaten people, nor do I insult their loved ones. It only makes you sound like a classless moron. But if your proximity comment is for real, let me know upon your arrival in Detroit. I've got an extra 5 minutes to stomp a mudhole in your a$$ if you are up for it. Talk is cheap Johnny. Unlike you, I mean what I say, or I don't say it.

I'm done talking to you now, Johnny. Lemme know when you get here......

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Marlin 444-P is an 18" ported 444

Had one...sold it & bought a.....

1895 GS 18" ported SS 45-70....mild to wild loads

Trailboss right up to a full case of H4198 & a 405 gr slug


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Had a 444, a really nice late 60s vintage. Had the barrel cut to 18, XS Sights, etc...really nice gun that I never really liked. For me, there is nothing it does that a .44 levergun doesn't, excelt cost more to feed and produce a lot more recoil. If I lived in Elk, Moose, or Bear country my thoughts may very well be different.

That gun was sold on here, and I found a .44 Mag Winchester 94...which I like a LOT more.

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Originally Posted by MojoHand
I've been lookin at the Marlin 444P which is the Outfitter, right?

It has the 1-20" Ballard and the short barrel. The on,y thing I wish was different is I like the pistol grip vs. the straight grip, but I could live with it (or find one to swap out, I guess).

It sure ain't a need but thought it might be cool to have a thumper throwing heavy cast that didn't weigh as much or use as much powder as my old .375!

I modified my Outfitter a few years ago. You only need to swap three pieces to convert an OUtfitter to pistol grip. Stock, lever and lower receiver plate. If you offer your parts in the flea market, you should quickly get someone willing to trade. Straight grip stocks are desirable to some folks.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
As long as it has 1 in 20" rifling.


300 grain sierra at 2150 fps with H335 with my 1:38 444 microgroove


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300 cast Beartooth from same gun

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BTW it will stabilize the 355 Beartooth


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Ya gotta run them hard, but it can be done.

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Is that the 300 WFN? I use that bullet in my .44 Mag rifle, use the LMN GC DCG in my pistols.

A .44 caliber 300 grain bullet can dig in deep.

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Yes sir....


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I understand any combo can be accurate, I was just plugging the "P".

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While I know the idea of using interchangable components for reloading is attractive, to do so would negate the advantages of the .444 The slower twist rate would almost certainly limit the bullet weights you could use in the .444 and using lighter weight bullets (300 grains and under) would gain little (if any) advantage over the .44 Magnum. In fact, due to the increased velosity bullets of 240-265 grains might even perform poorer than in the .44 Magnum by overexpansion and under penetration.

To me, the .444 just crys out for heavy bullet loads of 350, 400 or even 425 grains. If the .444 had been loaded from the start with a good 400 grain bullet.....there would never have been any .444 -vs- .45-70 debate as they would perform in the same class. If you insist on a .444, then go with the faster twist rate, find some good 400+ grain bullets and give up on the idea of using the same components as the .44 Magnum. Or.....just go with the .45-70 and make your life much simpler.


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Originally Posted by TexasRick
The slower twist rate would almost certainly limit the bullet weights you could use in the .444 and using lighter weight bullets (300 grains and under) would gain little (if any) advantage over the .44 Magnum. In fact, due to the increased velosity bullets of 240-265 grains might even perform poorer than in the .44 Magnum by overexpansion and under penetration.


It would "limit" you to 355 grains or so. If that isn't heavy enough, a larger caliber/cartridge would be a better choice than a heavier bullet in the 444. Period.

I agree that certain bullets may perform worse at the higher velocities because they were made for handguns. But a 270 gr Speer or 300gr Speer will flat out amaze at 444 velocities. They are bonded, 2200fps is completely attainable, and the last 300 lb bear I killed with the 270 broke both shoulders and still retained 92% of it's weight. Still have the bullet, which ALMOST came out the opposite side hide of the bear.

The 300gr bullet I used fully penetrated both sides and left a HUGE wound channel. MOF, both Speer bullets left larger wound channels AND penetrated deeper than bears shot with 450 Marlin via 350gr Hornady XTPs................

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I can easily believe a 300 grain (properly constructed) .429 bulet outperforming a 350 grain .458 bullet. 350 grains is a redicuously lightweight bullet for the .45-70.


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