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If you ever get a chance, read Keith's book SAFARI, written after his first African trip. He used a .333 OKH with really bad 300-grain softpoints as his light rifle, and they often wouldn't even exit Thompson gazelles weighing maybe 60 pounds. He reported ALL African game was "as tough as an old gum boot," which is no doubt one of the reasons so many hunters who've never even seen Africa consider plains game far tougher than any big game in North America.


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I will search it out. I do enjoy his writings, just find myself amused at times. Thanks


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Originally Posted by Ken Howell
If you read Elmer as a young shooter with little knowledge or experience, you come away thinking "Here's a man with unmatched experience, knowledge, and skill with all kinds of hunting guns."
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<br>If you read Elmer after you've learned enough to be a dangerous smart-ass, you sneer at his claims and opinions (and dismiss his knowledge as "just his opinion").
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<br>If you got to know Elmer in person, and learned the background and details of his claims, knowledge, and opinions, you came away knowing "Here's a man with unmatched experience, knowledge, and skill with all kinds of hunting guns."
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<br>I was lucky -- I both read and came to know Elmer as a friend when I was a young shooter with little knowledge or experience, and as I grew in experience, knowledge, and skill with guns, I always came away knowing "Here's a man with unmatched experience, knowledge, and skill with all kinds of hunting guns."
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<br>Oh, yes -- I've heard and read just about every cheap put-down that little minds have thrown at Elmer, and I know them all to be without merit or foundation.
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Originally Posted by HawkI


I always enjoyed reading Elmer's stuff because he always seemed like people I grew up around and sometimes seemed a bit outlandish in the details; like a friendly BSing farmer.

O'Connor always seemed to tell the story in chronological, matter of fact fashion, just like I did/had to for term papers in college.


Great explanation Hawk, I feel the same way. Given their backgrounds-----Elmer a cowboy, and Jack a writing prof--------it makes perfect sense IMO. I greatly enjoy reading both authors depending on my mood, but always take Jack at his word, and filter what Elmer had to say.


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I think Elmers message back then is still valid today, when boiled down I think (IMO)his opinions are sensible and based on taking game animals in the field.

Pretty simple message;

Using heavy for caliber bullets and the larger calibers kill humanely and ruin less meat. pretty simple, and it still works that way today.


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