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Why not, any valid reason not to? No, just wondering about the perception. I say if you guys can have them, then all Citizens should be able to have them.  Why is a suppressor considered "military"? (from the thread title) That there even is ANY REGULATION on suppressors of any sort for anybody hits me as being uber stupid...  The fact that they are included in any sort of gun control regulation is provenance that congress is too ignorant about guns to enact any sort of law about them. Period. Even countries that have the most severe gun in the world have no restrictions on suppressors. They even encourage use of them, for the obvious benefits. Whether they are police, or anyone else should make no difference either. The only thing that makes any sense at this point concerning suppressors, is deregulation of them.
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Didn't realize .223 made so much noise.
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Why not, any valid reason not to? No, just wondering about the perception. I say if you guys can have them, then all Citizens should be able to have them. Why is a suppressor considered "military"? (from the thread title) That there even is ANY REGULATION on suppressors of any sort for anybody hits me as being uber stupid... The fact that they are included in any sort of gun control regulation is provenance that congress is too ignorant about guns to enact any sort of law about them. Period. Even countries that have the most severe gun in the world have no restrictions on suppressors. They even encourage use of them, for the obvious benefits. Whether they are police, or anyone else should make no difference either. The only thing that makes any sense at this point concerning suppressors, is deregulation of them. Agreed...May as well regulate mufflers on vehicles as well 
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I'm obviously biased, but yes, we need them.
My feeling though is that the majority of Americans would freak out. Too scary looking and all they know about them came from Hollywood
Members of this board probably know a lot more than the average American. But we're not the majority This
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Didn't realize .223 made so much noise. Ever fired one inside a building?
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Didn't realize .223 made so much noise. Ever fired one inside a building? salient point! Had an accidental discharge with my .45ACP inside the guard shack one night while on guard duty in the Marines. It was deafening.
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I say if you guys can have them, then all Citizens should be able to have them. The only thing that makes any sense at this point concerning suppressors, is deregulation of them. Yep. I think they should be available to anyone who can legally own a firearm.
This is a shooting forum, there is no place here for logic.
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Certainly might improve the ability to hear and comprehend orders and etc in the middle of a bunch of noise. Commo can sure be an issue in these situations.
If LEO are already packing such a rifle I see no issues with a suppressor.
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I don't care, but the know nothings and the media ( faux news included) would freak.
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I reckon this place would be a good test bed for the idea.
What would y'all think about cops having suppressors on a patrol rifle? Not a suppressor like in the movies that makes a gun silent but a real life model that just keeps the noise to a safe level? If you've never been around one, they're still loud....they just keep you from needing ear protection while shooting.
There have allegedly been cases of folks winning lawsuits against the police for firing rifles near them and causing hearing loss.
And I know of several cases of officers being unable to work after a shoot out because of hearing loss (they weren't completely deaf, but couldn't pass the department's hearing test).
If a suppressor was purchased by the officer, would you freak out that he used it at work? Why just LE?
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I reckon this place would be a good test bed for the idea.
What would y'all think about cops having suppressors on a patrol rifle? Not a suppressor like in the movies that makes a gun silent but a real life model that just keeps the noise to a safe level? If you've never been around one, they're still loud....they just keep you from needing ear protection while shooting.
There have allegedly been cases of folks winning lawsuits against the police for firing rifles near them and causing hearing loss.
And I know of several cases of officers being unable to work after a shoot out because of hearing loss (they weren't completely deaf, but couldn't pass the department's hearing test).
If a suppressor was purchased by the officer, would you freak out that he used it at work? The day they become legal for civilians w/o a stamp, I say fine.
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Blue, several members made some relevant points regarding the politics etc. But as a practical matter, I wouldn't consider suppressor use to fall under the "militarization" category. You are just extending "Serve and Protect" to include hearing protection.
Now come asking for a silencer to fit the 25mm cannon on your Bradley Fighting Vehicle, and I might see that a little different.
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The ownership of suppressors should be subject to the same requirements as firearms. I see no reason for law enforcement or anyone else to be restricted in their use.
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I reckon this place would be a good test bed for the idea.
What would y'all think about cops having suppressors on a patrol rifle? Not a suppressor like in the movies that makes a gun silent but a real life model that just keeps the noise to a safe level? If you've never been around one, they're still loud....they just keep you from needing ear protection while shooting.
There have allegedly been cases of folks winning lawsuits against the police for firing rifles near them and causing hearing loss.
And I know of several cases of officers being unable to work after a shoot out because of hearing loss (they weren't completely deaf, but couldn't pass the department's hearing test).
If a suppressor was purchased by the officer, would you freak out that he used it at work? Why just LE? LOL
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I reckon this place would be a good test bed for the idea.
What would y'all think about cops having suppressors on a patrol rifle? Not a suppressor like in the movies that makes a gun silent but a real life model that just keeps the noise to a safe level? If you've never been around one, they're still loud....they just keep you from needing ear protection while shooting.
There have allegedly been cases of folks winning lawsuits against the police for firing rifles near them and causing hearing loss.
And I know of several cases of officers being unable to work after a shoot out because of hearing loss (they weren't completely deaf, but couldn't pass the department's hearing test).
If a suppressor was purchased by the officer, would you freak out that he used it at work? The day they become legal for civilians w/o a stamp, I say fine. You know cops have to pay the tax too, right?
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Now come asking for a silencer to fit the 25mm cannon on your Bradley Fighting Vehicle, and I might see that a little different. "Patrol Rifle" is code for "Army Tank". I just didn't want to get y'all's feathers ruffled.
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No issue with the police using suppressors since they are legal in most states for the citizens to use and own.
Suppressors are great for doing raids in Meth labs that are volatile!
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Sorry did not realize suppressors were for a rifle. A word of caution if the purpose is to reduce the noise of a rifle, most likely a .223, inside of a building one would have to use sub-sonic ammo in order for the suppressor to be of much of an advantage. A rifle using standard velocity ammo with a suppressor tend to be louder than without the suppressor. Inside of a building the noise with suppressor is even louder. I asked a retired military sniper why that is so and he said the suppressor reduces noise down range but blows the noise back at the shooter. Our outdoor range is enclosed on three sides with a roof. One time up at the range there were a group of guys shooting everything from pistols to rifles with suppressors and all the weapons using standard velocities ammo with suppressors were extremely loud with the suppressors attached. Only the sub-sonic ammo which included .22lr were quiet and hearing protection wasn't needed. Everything else needed hearing protection not to harm one's hearing. Before departments start buying suppressors I would check them out especially inside of buildings with different brands of ammo including sub-sonic and make sure everybody is wearing hearing protectors.
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Yep, police should be able to get them tax free even for personal use. Civilians shouldn't be able to have them period.
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A rifle using standard velocity ammo with a suppressor tend to be louder than without the suppressor. I don't know what to say, I just felt compelled to quote that.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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