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Scotland has a government it's just a question whether they will have a constitutional president, monarch, or become a member of the commonwealth.

I think scotland has to do what scotland has to do, good or bad proven over the long term.
I keep coming back to that word i think i saw on this thread, strawn, meaning not liking being told what to do. Character flaw or character attribute.
I really don't dislike the british per se, but there is a part of me that flares up every time i think of them being the lord and master. And i never had to live under their system. Kind of the way i feel about this system.
I know the atvantages of the federal system, but still think states should have had the ability to opt out.
And i dang sure have never liked living under the new nobility which in this country are the politicians in washington.

Hmm, so who would be monarch??

Aye, there's the rub.

But I'd guess in about EVERY historical war with the Brits, about half the Scots involved found it in their best interest to side with the "English" side, which was also their side.

And despite our historical illusions, traditional Celtic societies were among the most UN-free around. And if ya think of snobby Brits, and "arses in Westminster" etc... Some of the most pernicious snobbery and class pretentions I have encountered was among the Irish Catholics, against other Irish Catholics, fully as bad as anything Brit, (and that's saying a lot).

IMHO we in the United States owe a huge cultural debt to the Scots-Irish, the anti-Celts, whose mindset, I believe, gave us our own egalitarian mindset as well as strong tradition of armed freedom. Heck, even William Wallace, living where he did, was closer to one of them than anything Highlander, popular American illusions notwithstanding.

So now we have this referendum on Scottish Independence. When ya get past all the illusions and emotional appeal, the people pushing this turn out to be arch socialists and social progressives. Sorta ironic, I'm pretty sure "Braveheart" would be roundly condemned by this bunch: Utterly homophobic don't ya know, and promoting male domination and violence as well as the carrying of weapons.

As for "the british" being "lord and master", kinda hard to view them that way when they have been pouring wealth to prop up the people living in Scotland for generations now and when, most importantly, Scotland already has the freedom to vote themselves out of the United Kingdom any time they want. How much LESS dominating could the "English" be?

If Scotland DOES go independent, those Scots who think like most folks on this board are truly f***ed. And you can bet the farm that they WONT be given the freedom of voting themselves out of a socialist progressive (and impoverished) Scotland.

JMHO,
Birdwatcher

Drove a hunting buddy & his wife to the airport flying to Scotland last night. Wife is from Scotland & she & all her relatives support independence. She contends that the vote will be close, but that the dislike for the Brits will win the day for independence. She contends that Scotland will do just fine without financial support from the Brits. I'm told even if there is a vote for independence there is a 2 year window to resolve issues. Probably, will continue to have some sort of joint military & other trade agreements with the Brits.

My Grandson's other Grandpa was [he died a few years ago] Sir Niel McCormick. He and his father before him were main players in the effort for Scottish independence.

If Scotland goes independent it will have to reapply for membership in the EU and NATO.

The EU is unlikely to allow membership if it doesn't accept the Euro as it's currency and Spain might blackball membership to send a message to the Catalonia Independence movement.

http://mashable.com/2014/09/15/scotland-yes-eu-nato/

There's also the question of all that North Sea oil that Scotland Independence front folks think will save their economy. I seriously doubt the remaining part of the UK is going to give that up with out a fight.

Hell even the Royal bank of Scotland (along with other financial institutions) is going to pull up stakes and leave if the Scot vote yes.

Going to be an ugly divorce if it comes to pass.

From the polling data, it looks like it is NOT going to pass.

Thought I would bring this back up to see if the resident Grand Dragon's going to answer my simple questions...

[bleep] the brits! Separation!

Phil

No, history shows most socialists don't learn that because it's as much a religion as a political-economic system.

No they won't. They will do a dance, make a deal with the new government, and stay put.

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44, and 6 with no combat as that my time fell between Bush 1 and Bush 2.

Combat? For you? S-3 Viking driver? Lots of battles with Russian subs in these wars we had no?

It's it still self determination if they self determine to remain with the UK?

I guess so. I don't see why not.

My Mother's side of the family largely were from Scotland. I really don't care one way or the other. Just as long as they don't materially raise the market price of their most famous product.

They won't

All the Scots with any balls already immigrated over here a long time ago...

The hottest lassies did too...:)

We're coming close to a de facto arrangement on that. Maybe Oregon, Idaho and Montana could then maintain border security.

The Scots would survive. A people who invented golf, fly fishing and whisky have greatness in their heritage.