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I am going to be the odd man out here and say go for it. I firmly believe if you have got an itch, you should try to scratch it. miles


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I built a 30-06 AI back in 1995. a Rem 700 30-06 that I bought in 1973. I shot that barrlel out. Wanted something different. Had a Shilen with a 23.5" bbl put on it. Also bought a Chronograph about that time. Had read all I could about the 30-06AI. Worked up loads using a variity of 180 bullets and different powders. Had lots of fun, and learned alot. (dont believe every thing you hear or read). Ended up with a load using IMR 4350, standard primers, and a velocity of 2934fps with the 180 bullet. Not pushing it either.
All rifles are a rule to their own. Loading manuals are good guide lines to follow. You can compute all you want. like trajectory, velocity will be what it is from your rifle. Dont trust the calculations. Get a chronograph,ruler,and a place to shoot , and check it out in the real world. As a old Iron worker told a Engineer one time when the drawings and figures dident work out. " You can draw a A$$ hole on the paper, but you cant make it [bleep]".


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Originally Posted by milespatton
I am going to be the odd man out here and say go for it. I firmly believe if you have got an itch, you should try to scratch it. miles


I'm with ya.

If you're going to re-tube, why not. Costs are the same. You can get quite a bit of shooting done with just a cheap Lee Collet die for the parent case and a good seater.


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I have one and like it a lot. Nothing magic but I get 2950 with 165 Nosler PT out of a 22" barrel and it shoots very well.

If you want one build one, you only go around once I hear.

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I think the 30-06 AI might get you an additional 50-75 fps with heavier bullets at equal pressures but not much improvement for lighter bullets. My 30-06 factory barrel Rem 700 mountain rifle with a 22" tube gets 2858-2893 fps with 165 grain bullets and 59.0 grains of H4350.

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You will loose the following with a AI.

1. Barrel will be set back so it will not fit the stock bedding or forend.
2. New expensive loading dies.
3. Expense to have the new chambering stamped on the barrel.
4. Resale ease and value.
5. Waste of bullets, powder, primers fireforming.

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Originally Posted by rainierrifleco
Look at the 30 gibbs


I've had 2 AI'S and traded both off but keep and use my Gibb's.


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Originally Posted by Savage_99
You will loose the following with a AI.

1. Barrel will be set back so it will not fit the stock bedding or forend.
2. New expensive loading dies.
3. Expense to have the new chambering stamped on the barrel.
4. Resale ease and value.
5. Waste of bullets, powder, primers fireforming.


1. ? Its a rebarrel.
2. 30-06 Lee Collet dies are cheap. Seaters for a '06 are everywhere.
3. ? See No.1
4. If you build rifles to sell, yes.
5. It's called shooting. Kinda the whole point.

I'll be the last to say people should AI everything, but if ya want to, there is little down side.


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Never had an O6 AI, but have a few others. Except for the 250AI, few really move the velocity meter enough to matter. Frankly if your striving for velocity, there are lots of bigger 30's, your 300wby near the top of the list.

For me the beauty of the AI's is in low case stretch. With an AI if you keep the pressure under control, you can use a collet die and rarely ever trim. Every now and then I bump the shoulder with a body die and trim but its rare. This makes more sense as the cost per case gets higher, but O6 brass is fairly easy to find and cheap.

I wouldn't AI it, if I wanted more than an O6 could deliver and less than the wby.. Id trade for a 300wsm (or a H&H if that lights your fire)


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Originally Posted by rainierrifleco
Look at the 30 gibbs


Or, the 30-06 JDJ from SSK Industries. Same, same.


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Very good read right there. I think I am going to stay with the standard 30-06. It seems the AI really shines with the heavies. I plan on shooting up a supply of 165 BT out of this rifle. As I said before I have a 300 WBY that I shoot 200 gr bullets out of.

Thanks again for all the information and opinions.

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