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LBK...

I wrote 2 relatively long replies to your private message giving you information to help you with your loads for your .250/3000 along with the explanation why RL-15 isn't the best powder for that cartridge.

Unfortunately, when I "clicked" on the "SUBMIT" button, my messages (in both cases) simply disappeared... never to be found again. And so, after more than 2 hours of writing and re-writing a reply to your private message, I have given up.

Here is Nosler's Load Chart net address for your .250/3000 (below)... check out what powders they use and the velocities they got. The fastest load for the 100 grain bullet was a maximum load of 35.0 grains of H4895 for a muzzle velocity of 2952 fps. Nosler has indicated that this maximum load is THE MOST ACCURATE LOAD for your cartridge.

H4895 is one of Hodgdon's EXTREME powders meaning air temperature doesn't affect the performance of this powder or change the muzzle velocity it yields. I have tested this powder in my .300 Savage cartridge and found this claim to be true.

Here's the Nosler Load Chart net address: http://www.nosler.com/250-3000-savage

If you'd like to talk further about this, please send a private message with your phone number on it along with a good time to call... and I'll call you since there apparently is something wrong with my private message system.


Strength & Honor...

Ron T.

LBK & Ron T,

Not meaning to intrude but I note that the Nosler data is for IMR [though I realize that many frequently substitute "H" powder for IMR without concern form pressure as the two are very similar.]

What initial drew me to the Hodgdon H4895 powder was the efficiency of the powder in producing the highest velocities with the least amount of powder.

All good - carry on!

85 grain Noslers in a premil 99?

Umm..


Ron was referencing 100gr bullets, but that page is for 85gr. I'm guessing the 100gr bullet page in the manual refers to H4895.

Rory... if you scroll down one Chart to the next Chart just below the 85 grain bullet chart, you'll find the Chart for the 100 grain bullet.

And below that chart are charts for the 110 grain, 115 grain and 120 grain bullets.

Ron T.

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Unfortunately, you are probably correct. However, it is foolhardy to do... that is to use one powder's loads for a similar (but different) powder.

To do so is inviting a "problem"... i.e., possible damage to your firearm... and/or possibly injury or death !

Ron

I if may also add a little. H 4895 like many Hodgdon powders are made here in Australia by ADI and re badged for the US market. You can access the ADI by using that name in google. The powder here is called 2206H here. I think they show 33.5 as max.

In my rem 700 classic I use the load you posted 35grn. I also use the 100grn nosler B.T. its an accurate and very good killing load.

As a matter of interest we pay around $50.00 for 500grms a bit over a pound. I believe your price as around 1/2 that. Its a great source of annoyance here that the powder can be shipped to the docks, dangerous goods transport, then shipped to the US & again it has to be packed and freighted to your retail outlets as dangerous goods yet we pay double. Hard to work out, we have a company here that make diff locks for 4wd, its cheaper for three blokes to get together and import back to Australia the very item that was sent to the US cheaper than it can be bought here

Johno

Thanks for your time and effort, Ron. The reason for the PM was so I didn't invite clogging up a collectors forum with a reloading problem that I haven't had as yet and don't want to invite either.

To bring everyone up to speed. Yesterday I took a couple rifles out in preparation for our annual trip to Anticosti.

I shot my 1899-B in .303 Sav shooting through my chronograph and achieved a velocity of a little over 1900 fps. Winchester 190 grain factory fodder. Results were within reason to what I expected.

The BIG surprise was shooting one of my 1899 250-3000's. Again, Winchester silver box 100 grain silvertip factory. Through a chronograph. Average velocity just BARELY broke 2100 fps. I was stunned. I expected in the neighborhood of 28/2900 fps. Accuracy was about 1 1/2-2" at 100 yds. And the bullet holes showed no sign of key-holing.

I went home and started re sizing cases and pulling bullets from my factory stuff. Last year I used the factory Winchester factory in my Model 14. Admittedly I did not check in over my chronograph. I will though and report back. I'm just REALLY wondering if the 1-14" twist had anything to do with my results?

I don't think the twist rate would make to much difference but 2100fps!!! wow!! that's factory stuff for ya ..

plab

I'll load some up of my own recipe, whatever it may turn out to be, and check velocities then. We'll see how it goes. Punching round holes in paper is one thing. Humanely killing a deer is quite another. Has anyone else here ever chronographed 250-3000 Winchester silverbox 100 grain out of a 1-14 rifle? I'd be interrested in hearing the results.

I have never chronographed those Win 100gr loads and granted what I am about to relate is only a example of 2.

I have killed 2 deer with the 250 Savage 100gr Silvertips out of a post mil 1 in 10 twist rifle. In both cases the bullet penciled right through the deer with no evident signs of expansion.

I always thought that the 100 gr Silvertip bullet was too "hard" , but perhaps the velocity of this load is just too low ?

.....or maybe it's a combination ?

YMMV


Mike

Time to change your leaders.

Nothing to do with leaders mate, its our whole retail industry

Johno

LBK...

My "Personal Message" center seems to be working again... and I've left you a message there. Check it out, my friend...

Ron T.

Watch for the flashing envelope!!!!!!!!

Johno, ol' cobber...

Sounds like you really have a problem with the price of the powders which are, as you stated, DOUBLE the price of about the same powders here in the USA.

But you Aussies surely have got one h*ll of a FINE Prime Minister!!!!!!! I see, on the net, that she's been "telling it like IT IS... and how it's GONNA BE!!!"

BRAVO for her !~!~!

Buttttt... as "usual", I digress... (shucky-DARN!!!)

Unfortunately, the cost of ALL powders here have doubled and tripled again and again. When I first got "into" reloading, I was paying $1.25 (U.S.) for a pound of powder and the same price for a 25 lb bag of shot for my trap and skeet shooting. Now... HA!!!... their costs are UNBELIEVABLE to an old shooter/reloader like me.

I know the "younger set" here won't believe me, but truth IS TRUTH whether one likes it or not !!!

I was also paying $5.95 a thousand for shotshell primers and $4.50 a thousand for rifle and pistol primers. And now? OMG, they're a whole LOT more costly!

Yeah, I "know"... the prices have "changed", but THAT MUCH "CHANGE"???

But then, I come from an era where BIG candy bars (Baby Ruths, 2 bigger-than-they-are-now Reese's Cups. Clark Bars, etc.) were a nickel each... and those little Coke bottles with the curvy sides were also 5� each... a hotdog was 15�, a good sized bowl of really great chili was 25�, a McDonald's hamburger was 15� and a small pizza (9�-inch) with onion, sausage, pepperoni and plenty of cheese was... (are you sitting down?)... all of $1.25 each from a good pizza pie retailer who made excellent and very tasty pizzas.. the BESTEST pizzas in town!

Oh, yeah... and a bottle of good beer was 25� or maybe 30� in the higher-price places... gasoline was 21.9� a gallon for "regular" and Boron hi-test gasoline, which I HAD to run in my "hopped-up" Ford V-8 with milled heads, headers, dual exhausts, a 3-deuce set-up of carbs and a "blower" (supercharger) on top was all of 25.9� a gallon. Ahhhh, YESSSSS, "those-were-the-days" !~!~!

A new 1954 Ford Victoria Hard-Top sold for $2400 (I know, I had one) and that was with a "fake" continental tire half-way protruding from the trunk-lid and a VW "Bug" sold new for $1700. My 1958 Corvette bought "used" in August of 1958 with only 3,000 miles on it cost all of just $3900 (283 cu.in. engine with two 4-barreled carbs and a "warm" factory cam) made 270 H.P. and had "4-on-the-floor" and Pos-i-traction... it ran like a scalded-azz ape !!!

Yeah... "times" sure the heck have "CHANGED" (!!!)... but not so much for the better, in this protesting old guy's mind.

Buttttt... enough of this... nobody really cares, anyway.


Strength & Honor...

Ron T.

You're WRONG......................I care WAY more than I should!!!!!!!

Awwwwwww... LBK... yer just an ol' SOFTY...

But let me read your message... brb...

NOW, "Beardy".... YOU watch for the flashing envelope!!!!!!!!

Thank you..................I more ways than ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

change is not always for the better

plab