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270 Win! Zero at 200 and you can hold dead on at 600!!
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270 Win! Zero at 200 and you can hold dead on at 600!! I know!!!! Pieter, thanks for that great response! Very interesting perspective.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Pieter sounds to me like you are just being shy... With your opportunities it sounds like you could be telling all of us a thing or two about the differences between how these various cartridges do at distances long and short. Personally I pay a lot of attention to what African hunters have to say about cartridge/bullet performance because of the sheer volume of animals they get to shoot. I have been bombarded with emails from my old pal, RinB who posts here; he has been in SA and Namib for about 2 weeks now....losing track but he must be up over 25-30 animals up to eland with a 270 and 129 LRX and 130 Bitterroot bonded bullets.African hunters simply get to see much more in a compressed time than we do her in NA. Have you had much opportunity to run these various cartridges and bullets on a lot of animals? Interested in your thoughts on the matter. Although I really try to practice a lot, I am still fairly new to long range shooting and will not pretend that I know enough to give info on terminal performance on big game of bullets at real long range What I do know or learnt is that checking and rechecking and rechecking again is helping me a lot to get more consistent shooting results. From what we experience regarding hunters wounding animals there is one particular locally made bullet that were recovered from wounded animals more than any other brand and it is Impala Bullets. It is a monolithic that do not expand, that is advertised as a hunting bullet. The manufacturer claims that the shock wave caused by the shape of the bullet as it enters the animal causes enough damage to the organs to kill the animal quickly. Our neighbor have half his pickup truck's ashtray filled with these bullets that he recovered from wounded animals during weeks, after hunters hunted their property. I am not saying the bullet does not work, but I would not recommend it, not even to mention shooting at longer range with them as the BC will be horrible and for that shock wave effect to occur that they talk about it will have to impact the animal with a decent amount of speed (I am guessing here) Regarding running various bullets in different calibers is difficult to sum up. We use mainly 6s to 338s.I can honestly say that the 6.5s are more than adequate enough for animals up to the size Kudu and even non premium bullets such as Interlocks have done the job on Kudu extremely well. I love the low BC of the 7s and 6.5s but I still think the right 30 - 338 cal would create better wound channels which leads to quicker death and maybe some of the guys here on the forum can shed more light on this. I think in the end the rifle and bullet you choose to use at long range should be the one you practice with most as shooting at different altitude, temp angles ect is critical and then understanding what that combo does. We see every year when we hunt in Namibia compared to our place that the atmospheric differences (excluding the tricky one which is wind) can make a 1/2 moa at 100 rifle a 1 moa rifle when we sight in our rifles. You will basically have to develop a whole new load for that part of Namibia for that rifle if you wanted to shoot at longer range. Funny thing is, we arrive back home, take that rifle and then it shoots back at 1/2 moa as it did before we left! Shooting in heat is also something I avoid as the heat waves is just too much of a disturbance and I feel like I am just wasting ammo then. BTW, what is the 130 Bitterroot? Thanks Pieter The 300 grain .338 SMK has to be seen to believed. The blow that it delivers to game as well as the massive wound is extremely effective. They open very well at long range. My 338 Lapua start the 300 SMK at 2800 fps. A very devastating combination.
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270 Win! Zero at 200 and you can hold dead on at 600!! You guys and your damn 270's... I'm beginning to hate mine. SOB outshoots my 30-06
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Pieter, Based on your experience I would suggest the 300 RUM with the 230 gr Berger Match Hybrid Target bullet. It has a BC of .743 which will be a big help to minimalize wind drift. You can get 3000 fps or a bit more with the right powders. H-1000 will be closer to 2900 but RL-33 has proven to get close to 3100 fps from a 26" barrel. This heavy for caliber bullet exits with excellent wound channels. Before anyone trashes this bullet read these two links: http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/230gr-berger-used-africa-success-138852/\ This thread features the 300 win mag with the 230 gr hybrid OTM which is constructed the same as the 230 match hybrid target just shorter for short magazine application and a slightly lower BC. Same performance. http://www.longrangehunting.com/for...ybrid-terminal-results-80283/index3.html This is the way I would go. Im getting 3100fps out of mine with h1000 , shooting a hybrid ,feeding from a wyatts mag. deadly combo. Bob Carlock turned me onto this combo. Got a black bear at 1120 , flattened it.
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M77. The 7 STW will deliver the good. I've killed antelope with it out to 1000 yards. The standard Nosler Accubonds shoots 1/2 MOA or better, fly true to the published BC, and at 1000 yds still leaves two holes on a broadside shot. The area I've elk hunted with my in-laws the last few years it too thick for the Long Shooter, but I've discovered some nice open glens with calm morning that could provide opportunities best exploited with the Long Shooter.
A buddy of mine has a .300 RUM set up for long range as well. He's shooting the 200gr NAB at 3200. Once he's back from the Desert I'm hoping we can transition it over to one of the LRAB's. It will be interesting to see what we can do with it.
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A good 7RM shooting 180s will get it done at that kind of distance. 300WM, or 300RUM would be another good option as well though if you don't mind dealing with a little more recoil.
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Bullet, optics, and trigger time matter more than cartridge. A dedicated long range rifle needs a real scope. No turrets, or dots are not the same as dialing in.
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Reverse engineer it. Determine what bullet performs best, regardless of caliber, at the velocity/distance you are wanting to shoot at. The cartridge/action length will follow.
“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.” ― G. Orwell
"Why can't men kill big game with the same cartridges women and kids use?" _Eileen Clarke
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I build rifles every year and practice at long range before I hunt. I pick the best rifle.
The cartridge does not matter as much as finding out how far away I can keep it in the kill zone.
After long range comparitive practice, the 7mmRM can hit the target further out for me that 267RAI, 260, or 270.
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