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A Great .308
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�Shooting Times field editor Layne Simpson once referred to the .308 Winchester as the most useful short-action cartridge ever developed because it's a versatile hunting cartridge; it's great for handloading; it's the parent for a family of cartridges, many of which are as successful as the .308; and it's the official military round of the NATO members around the world."


�� many of which are as successful as the .308�??? Let�s see, that would include the, uh, ummm, uh, hmmm�. Can�t seem to think of a single one that I would consider as successful as the .308 Winchester, let alone �many�.

And how does the fact that it spawned offspring have anything to do with the usefulness of the parent cartridge itself? It doesn�t.

Never mind that, despite their similarity, the .308 Winchester and 7.62 NATO have slightly different specifications and are therefore technically not the same cartridge.

Not knocking the .308 or its offspring, as I think the .308 Winchester is one of the best rifle cartridges ever invented. There just seems to be a significant lack of logic and precision in the thinking of Simpson and Edmondson.

Besides, I would suggest the �most useful short-action cartridge ever developed � would be the .22LR.

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I gave it a try, don't like it. Nuff said..


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Myself, I prefer the 243, 260 and 7/08 over the 308...

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I think its the best of the 308 based cartridges. I've probably taken 6000 head of game with the 308 Win, probably 75% of them with 150g cup and core bullets. Many of those in mass cull situations.

Used a fair bit of 243 which doesn't put game down nearly as consistently on-the-spot as the 308. Seen the 7-08 in action quite a lot, but could never discern any real difference to the way it performed vs the 308. No experience with the 260 Rem. Keen to try it though.

I suppose they're all as useful as one another though, depending on what you want them to do.

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.358 Winchester

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308, 7-08 both very versatile, easy to load and shoot rounds. Glad we got 'em. I'm shooting 308 win this year, the wife is shooting her 7-08ai as usual.


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A .308win with 165 Ballistic Tips or Sierra 165 HPBT's
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I could probably hunt big game the rest of my life in the lower 48 with my Sako L579 308 WCF and not miss a thing.

If I ever get back to AK I'd use my granddad's M71 348 WCF for one more Moose just because.

308 WCF just works.

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The 308 and 7mm08 are peas in a pod if you ask me. The 260 lightens things up a touch. I love them all. The 308 is a great killer and I've used it a lot, but with today's bullet offerings, I prefer the other two for my needs.


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Originally Posted by EZEARL
.358 Winchester



"Most useful" was the terminology. In that case, it IS the .358. Others are more common, slightly better in some aspects, but it will do more different things than the others, covering more bases of game and bullets....JMO.

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Side note - if spawning offspring was the criteria and the .308 was considered the winner, I suggest the award should go to the parent of the .308 Winchester instead, the .300 Savage.

Haec nulla, nullum.

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Most that claim to not like the 308 family of cartridges have never killed with them.

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I don't like the .308.....









P.S. I don't have one. WHAT?


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Originally Posted by hh4whiskey
Originally Posted by EZEARL
.358 Winchester



"Most useful" was the terminology. In that case, it IS the .358. Others are more common, slightly better in some aspects, but it will do more different things than the others, covering more bases of game and bullets....JMO.

Yeah, the 358 is just the berries on a prairie dog shoot. crazy


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I don't like the .308.....









P.S. I don't have one. WHAT?


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Wanna rub my 7-08?........it's packin' the high BC bullets.......


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I have always thought that the .308 Win was one of the best cartridges -not just short action- ever designed. It has spawned many excellent cartridges; e.g., .243 Win, 7MM-08 Rem, etc.

The .308 Win is inherently accurate. It will deliver velocities that meet or exceed factory ballistics. And it will put game in freezers.

I was going to go with an '06 as my light mountain rifle. Then I did the research. Excluding 220 grain bullets, which I would not use for my hunting needs, I found out that there ain't spittin' difference between the two. Hence, I went with the inherent accuracy and short-action.

About a year ago I read an article that indicated that the .308 Win has exceeded the deservedly venerated '06 in popularity as determined by sales.

The .308 Win has been around for better than fifty years. It'll be around for more than another fifty. I ain't so sure most short action cartridges will.

The bottom line is that hunting cartridges, like self-defense cartridges, are products of subjective criteria. I just returned for an elk hunt. One of the hunters in camp was using a .300 WSM. That was the first time I had seen one. It was a neat looking cartridge. But that was all it was: a cartridge, just like any other cartridge. The hunter obviously liked it, but the elk he killed with it assuredly didn't care much for it.

If I were accorded a hunting rifle do-over, I'd buy the best rifle I could afford in .280 Rem and never look back. But that's my preference. Other others see it a lot differently.


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I like the .308 and it's kids.......my favorite family.


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Originally Posted by gunnut308
A .308win with 165 Ballistic Tips or Sierra 165 HPBT's
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Must say the 308 really fits that description. But what about the 284 winchester?? Little more powder and higher bc bullets with an endless selection of bullets..

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