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Originally Posted by teal


Way too many 300 WM's get sold because "I'm gonna go out west someday for elk" and they never leave the woodlot well east of the Mississippi.

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Well said Teal. I believe this is exactly what made the 7 mag a success.


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Way too many 300 WM's get sold because "I'm gonna go out west someday for elk" and they never leave the woodlot well east of the Mississippi.

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Well said Teal. I believe this is exactly what made the 7 mag a success.


I think more people are guilty of that than care to admit it. Self included...

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Well you can count my Dad and brother in that groups as well. Thought I was nuts buying a 6mm instead. They don't any longer.


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I have killed deer with the 22-250 and deer bullets. 60-64-70gr and with the 308. Both kill deer very dead. I'll be packing the 308 this year. with the 22-250 loaded with 64gr Winchester power Points as a back up.


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Eddy Bo (former poster here that passed away) built my hunting partners 9 year old an 8 twist 22-250 a month before he passed. My hunting partner and his son killed 11 deer with it using 55 grain hornady soft points. 10 never took a step. 1 took one right in the guts, by the 9year old. It ran 40 yards laid down and died in less than five minutes. I helped clean all of them and I'd take that 22-250 and never look back. Eddy Bo built me a 223 AI at the same time and if he hadn't my toddler would be shooting a 22-250 his first several years. No flies on the 308 as I've killed a pile of deer with a couple, but there just deer

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Originally Posted by 16bore
Originally Posted by kenjs1
Originally Posted by teal


Way too many 300 WM's get sold because "I'm gonna go out west someday for elk" and they never leave the woodlot well east of the Mississippi.

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Well said Teal. I believe this is exactly what made the 7 mag a success.


I think more people are guilty of that than care to admit it. Self included...


That's what I bought my first "new" rifle (also a 7mag) for instead of a used Browning Stainless Stalker .308 I had been eying for some time. It was a new Savage package gun with scope instead of used A-Bolt without a scope for the same price. Like everything, it cost more in the end. Cause the cheap POS scope barely lasted the first season, and went through another scope after that Before finally settlingnon the 1st gen Aetec it wears now.

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I shot a .308 as a kid and I loved it. I have never shot reduced loads in one but I would imagine that it would word very well.

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My kids started shooting a 22lr and progressed to the 30-06 (they've stayed away from the magnums). I let them pick what caliber they want to shoot.

Point being, if you have access to a 22-250 or 308 or 223 let them shoot it and decide what they are most comfortable shooting.


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Originally Posted by deflave
I'm 37 and the .223's and 22-250's are the first rifles I grab.

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My favorite is my .257 Roberts. Recoil is minimal but 75g V-MAX work great for p-dogs, coyotes, 100TTSX and 110g AB for antelope, etc. and I load 120g A-Frames during combined deer/elk season. (Haven't pulled the trigger on game with that load but don't doubt it will work.) All the girls love to shoot it and Daughter #1 will be using it for WY antelope come October.

These days I would probably go the .260 route instead.


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I've had/have every chambering cited and had 'em all out on the same day,to let others extrapolate,more than a schit load of times. Of course,have had lotsa others out at the same time too. A jaunt often includes dozens of platforms(understatement).

There is NOT a single kid on the Planet,who's going to walk past a Montucky 223,to get to anything else thus far mentioned(Krunchentickers do appeal,but have yet to be cited,yet pale to the Montucky). A lopped/chopped(LOP shortened and barrel nipped to 20") Sporter 77/22 Hornet/K-Hornet is a perpetual Crowd Pleaser,but the Montucky STEALS the Show. Hint.

Again,it's ALL about round count and the "luck" that trigger time reaps,like NO other ingredient in the Terminal Equation. Simply THE dumbest pfhuqqing schit I've ever heard,to slip a kid schit riggin' and make them suffer same as some "trick" to arrange "proficiency". It ain't pfhuqqing happening.

Let a kid slam some 600yd clay birds with same and a Deer Tag is punched,before the shooting even starts.

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I suggest the 243 as a first rifle.


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Of the two cartridges in the opening of the thread, I would take a 1-8" fast twist .22-250 over the .308 any day for deer.

Why? I don't like recoil anymore.

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You're a clever guy, for a 'Yankee'......grin


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totally depends on the kid, how he or she shoots and how good they are with what size rounds period.



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I've never seen anyone shoot better with more recoil.

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Originally Posted by 16bore
I've never seen anyone shoot better with more recoil.


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I'd go .308 and use reduced or managed recoil ammunition which should give recoil somewhere between standard .243 and .260...or just get a .243 in the first place. A good recoil pad and proper fit of the rifle obviously make a huge difference in felt recoil of any caliber.

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22-250 all the way.
not that a 308 wouldn't work,but a 62 tsx at 3500 will work better .


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Originally Posted by fluffy
22-250 all the way.
not that a 308 wouldn't work,but a 62 tsx at 3500 will work better .


Better than what? Any 308 load? Certain 308 loads? Work better for a kid?

Ive shot a few with a 308 and never felt "under"gunned. Ive shot a few with a 22-250 also. Most factory 22-250's are still 1:14 arent they? The 62tsx is probably not going to work in most guns the OP would buy anyway so the case would have to be made for the 53gr.

Also, no one asked if the OP handloads... If not, it throws the ball back in the 308's court.
I gave my kids 243's and wouldnt change a thing except had them rebarreled to 1:8 from the start.



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Originally Posted by jackmountain
Most factory 22-250's are still 1:14 arent they?


most of em are twisted slow, and that's something the OP should consider. 'course, a lot more .223's are twisted 8 or 9 from the factory ...


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