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Mark,

Fire up your Google and you'll soon see that JJHack's recommendation to "run away as fast as you can" is a common theme.

Throw away that sheit sandwich. Continuing to take little nibbles in an attempt to convince yourself that the "taste" isn't that bad is just sick, gross and twisted.

No matter how you try to rationalize it in an attempt to sooth and fool yourself, it's still what it is.... a sheit sandwich.

I assume we will not be hearing anything more about this issue
from Safari.

Hit me over the head once, but not twice.

I see Doug does sell the full Bushnell line, but not the Fusion
RF binocular. I don't find this model at SWFA either.

Now I don't wonder why ?

Thnnks everyone, good advice being proffered here.

I will google some prices and put it up on Craigs List etc.

Quite the dog pile here.

I've been using a pair of Fusion 1600 RFB exclusively for 4 years now. They've gone from the forest floor chasing moose in snow, ice, and -30 F weather in the late season, to gaining 3000 ft up in the peaks of the Rocky Mountains chasing sheep in early September. They've taken a few spills onto rock and concrete, ridden with me in the truck and on the ATV, and hanging on my chest over some of the roughest terrain. They have enabled me to spot sheep at 2+ miles away, and consistently range dark objects out to 1700 meters, even in -30 F temperatures when it's so cold it takes the display a second to show the reading, with accurate enough readouts to enable me to make first-round hits beyond 1000 yards on sub-MOA sized targets.

Sure, the glass is mediocre, comparing favourably to a pair of 10x42 Vortex Vipers I had, but it's certainly serviceable. The rangefinder has been simply awesome. Overall, the pair that I have has taken some serious use and kept on ticking. And by "use" I don't just mean riding from the basement shelf to the range and back, all the while sitting on a silk cushion. I have been extremely pleased with the purchase, and would likely buy another pair tomorrow if this one gave up the ghost.

Jordan Smith,

Thank you for (finally) a report and impressions from someone who has actually USED a set for a while.

My set that quit on me also were used pretty well as in hunted with and bounced around a bit before the display went bonkers.

If this set of the newer 1 Mile Fusions does not sell right off, I will put them to use, utilize the 2 year warranty on them if needed, and be saving up for the Leica Geovids again. Whie my 1600'a worked, they were a fine piece of hunting equipment and enabled me to make a long shot on my biggest Mule Deer ever, an hhonest to gosh 30 incher as well as the longest shot on a deer I have ever made, 618 yards on a pretty good 4x4 Mule deer buck.

They certainly were not a schidt sandwich. If these also give me 2-3 years of service, that might be all I need from them. If I don't get a kidney transplant by then, I will not feel like hunting and might not even be around. If I do get a kidney transplant soon, I will be able to again work and earn money and afford the Leica Geovids like the ones I had before.

Now, how many people saw THAT eventual result coming? No matter the advice against doing something, so long as one person says "yeah, I ate that schit sandwich and it was just fine", safariman was going to stick with taking another bite. The justification that "well, I'm sick and broke" should have been seen, too.

safariman, why do you even ask for advice when you aren't going to do anything any differently than you wanted to do in the first place regardless of what is said by anyone else or even multitudes of others with experience? JJHACK seems to know a bit about these things. FOsteology and huntsonora as well, among others. Yet, one person says "yeah, they worked for me" is enough for you to discount all the other advice and have you stick with whatever it is you've already committed to in the first place. If you read Mr. Smith's response, you'll also see that he doesn't have any experience with the 1 Mile version that you have, either. He has a different set (one of the versions that broke on you and Bushnell dropped the ball on repairing, in fact). That's rather amazing in several ways.

The 1600 fusion and the 1 mile version are 100% different models.

A quick once over of the one mile would be all anyone needs to put them back in the box and get your refund.

The rubber diopter/focus adjustments are glued on. After a few rotations the rubber starts to buckle, and they come loose. Think you're gonna just glue them back? think again. The adjustment under them is slotted. You will have a near impossible time gluing the rubber on without gluing the whole works together. You will need to disassemble them to get this glued back on.

( are we really discussing that a 1000.00 pair of glasses to be used by hunters in the field have a glued together assembly? )

I had several conversations with Bushnell support about this. They were in 100% agreement this was rubbish and should never have been designed much less put on the market with this absolutely poor level of manufacturing.

I had three different pairs, only one lasted without this type of failure or problem. However it had the glue oozing out from under the rubber and hardened on the edge. it was so sloppy I cannot imagine this being sold at 1000 bucks!

The laser on the first pair was out of alignment. Would not range properly. It was replaced on warranty by bushnell after 7 days of possession and use by me. They replaced it with a used set! An older serial number ( 300ish) that was scuffed and scratched and had miserable optics. The optics were not even close to the quality of the first set.

One set bad laser, another bad glass, both sets bad rubber diopter adjustments! These went back after I really ripped on CS over sending me a crap pair of old used demo glasses to replace my brand new set! The third set also had the rubber diaper adjustment come loose, but worse was the display was sideways in the tube. What the heck do they not even look at this stuff in QC? How could CS knowing the problems I had send these out with a cockeyed display? Not only was that bad but the optics in these were also yellowish in bright clear daylight.

Back they went to the dealer for a refund. 30 days of absolutely horrible laser/optic and QC performance and pathetic CS from Bushnell. Never again for me. I'll suffer without rather then choose poorly again. Or better yet, buy great optics, and a small Leupold range finder. Choosing those Bushnell 1 mile was a horrible experience.......... 1000 bucks for all that frustration. No more bushnell products for me!

Another well known and well respected fella I know ( posts here frequently) had these same problems with his multiple pairs as well. I may be corrected on this but the result was his opinion was just like mine.

So how much experience do you have with the Fusion?

Jordan Smith,

Very good point, sir. I wonder how many who are posting about these have actually used them besides my friend JJ Hack?

I really was hoping to hear from members who had actual in the field experience with them.

Comments and opinions which start with "my pair" or "my set acted and performed like _____________ until they ____________
At which time Bushnell offered me _________________ on my set.

Name calling the units names like a schidt sandwich are not helpful without being backed up with a real world experience. Opinions about the binoc/lrf unit being sold by Bushnell without some hands on experience are of little value to me.

My BIL had not one, but TWO (Fusion 1 Mile). I obviously fondled and used them on my ranch to form a first hand opinion. I stand by my earlier statement that they're indeed a sheit sandwich.

Yellow tinted glass, and laser wasn't accurate (compared against both my Leica HD-B and Zeiss PRF). Build QC was sheit.

My BIL took the first one back to Cabela's (where purchased) and got the second one. Same issues with the second Bushnell. In addition, interesting enough, the glue Jim speaks of was evident in my BIL's second unit. Not only was there "oozed glue", but the diopter didn't work.


He learned his lesson and is now sporting a Zeiss 8x26 PRF

Rationalize and spin it anyway you like Mark to justify and fool yourself. In the end, you're still munching on a sheit sandwich.

Well, Mark, JJHACK has plenty of experience with them. FOsteology does. Huntsonora does. Google will show you PLENTY of other experiences. I've used them. I tried them out and found the glass subpar with a nasty blue green tint and chromatic aberration to guarantee a headache if actually used as a bino for more than a couple minutes at a time. The rangefinder was no great shakes either. I passed on buying them because they weren't worth the month. Compound that with Bushnell's reputation and my experience with other Bushnell products, and it was an easy call.

None of this matters to you. You've convinced yourself that these are great and you've found a single person that has a similar product (Jordan's 1600 are not the same as your One Mile versions). You're simply now trying to justify keeping an inferior product for the third time.

Why do you even bother asking advice when your mind is already made up? You started crying broke/sick/poor as soon as it became clear that the Bushnells suck. You could sell those on EBay, part with at least one extra rifle (it seems like you have a Remington pump that is new to you and not your cup of tea) and out those funds toward a very good set of binos and a good rangefinder. That combination works for thousands of people every year, and would for you as well. Or, you could part with another extra firearm or two and get the Geovids.

Instead, you're collecting inferior stuff and justifying the collection as better in aggregate than alpha stuff in lesser amounts.

You don't want advice and you don't want help. You want support in justifying your decisions and positions. State that to begin with and cut out all the chase for you and everyone else involved.

You've used the Fusion 1 Miles? Do tell.....

Tells me exactly how much experience you have with either the 1600's or the 1 Miles, as the rangefinder in both trumps anything Leica, Zeiss, or Swarovski has to offer.

LOL

What's so funny? I've has these beside the Swaro Laser Guide and Leica CRF 1600. They were all within 1 yard at 1762 yards. The Bushy certainly doesn't take back seat. Speaking of the RF part only...

The guy that had them in camp last year was having trouble with them ranging deer out in the sage. I'm not saying they aren't accurate when you can get them to work. The guy that had them was sponsored by Bushnell and he wasn't impressed either

Have you looked through the new Leica rangefinding binos? It's almost instantaneous when you hit the button. Nothing about the Bushnell is in the same class as the Leica but nobody really expects them to be.

Bullschit. The Bushnells range a long way out, and give accurate measurements, but they are not nearly as fast to range or as forgiving as the Swaros.

Also, the glass on the 1 miles had better be a huge step up from the 1600s, as the 1600 glass is incredibly ordinary. As in, I would put them in the same quality range as blister pack Tascos.

A pretty darned good rangefinder wrapped in a real ordinary optics package.

If a guy is seriously looking for a goot set of binos and an LRF without spending high end money, a Bushnell ARC handheld rangefinder and a set of Cabelas Euro HDs, or something along those lines is how I would go.

I did tell. I tried them out (see above) and found them lacking. They were for sale; I demo'd them, and I passed.

Oh? When demo'ing those, they failed to range as quickly as the Leicas or the Swaros. They did a great job on reflective hard targets (buildings, signs, etc.), but did not register as well against brown furry objects (in that case cattle at roughly 1200). They didn't stack up well.

Bingo!