This one made it to print: On the '34 trip, I again saw a 7x57 Mauser fail miserably on mule deer. The president of KNX's brother-in-law carried this rifle. I for- got his name. Anyway I got him a shot at an awful nice buck with a good head at about 250 yards across a gulch. He hit him in the neck and it took off a vertebra and over an inch of the spinal cord. The buck dropped and laid there, and while we were crossing the gulch he jumped up and took off again. He hit him again and piled him up, so we got the buck all right but that 139-grain 7 mm had failed to do the job. It had cleared the spinal cord for over an inch and yet it hadn't put him down to stay. He was able to get up and run.
Elmer Keith???
223 Rem, my favorite cartridge - you can't argue with truckloads of dead PD's and gophers.
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Had an I&E Foreman tell us the other day that he has a .308 that he can do a 5 shot group into a quarter at 2,000 yards. But it gets better. He then went on to tell us that he bought this .22 long rifle from a pawn shop that was specifically built for the boy scouts that will put 3 shots into the same hole at 1,000 yards but it will only do it with subsonics. After that I couldn't hold back anymore and told him he was full of schit.
There are no problems that cannot be resolved by the suitable application of high explosive.
Shooting a groundhog at about 300yrds with 22-250 he missed he said that there was a blade of grass right in front of the hog said the bullet exploded when it hit that grass. Cause the 22-250 is so fast it can't hit grass. I figure the bullet must have been traveling right around 5000fps at 300yrds to do that lol.
I will tell a experience that I had with a 22-250 of mine that might explain this guys story. I got a wild hair of trying to match 220 swift performance with my 22-250 so I got a box of 45gr sx bullets and was loading close to 4000fps.. I would get. A super group going and then one bullet would completely miss the paper. Checked the scope etc and then my buddy was shooting it and I noticed what looked like a vapor trail coming from the barrel . Sure enough the little sx bullets were so soft that some would disintegrate leaving the barrel.
As a kid growing up, my family lived on venison. And Dad was passionate about keeping the freezer full. He shot at everything that moved with a Rem 760 in 30-06. At first he used the iron sights, and then he moved up to a 3-9 Scopecheif IV.
One day he was plugging away at some deer over 600 yds away. He finally walked the rounds onto target and knocked one or two over.
The B S part was what he had to say about his buddy's 308.
"That POS could not even reach those deer. The 308 is the sorriest excuse for a cartridge that ever existed."
I attempted to explain the actual marginal ballistic differences between factory '06 and the 308 ammo to no avail.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
I hear lots of tales at gun shows, a few months back a guy was selling a Stevens Model 200 in 308 to a vendor and the seller told him with a serious look on his face that he was a sniper in the Vietnam War and they were issued Stevens Model 200s in 308. The vendor bought the rifle for $125.00.
A 'customer' once told me of his custom 1886 winchester in 45-70�it would shoot 4inch groups at 1100 yards...
Just have to throw this in:
The minimum acceptable accuracy of the .45-70 from the 1873 Springfield was approximately 4 inches (100 mm) at 100 yards (91 m), however, the heavy, slow-moving bullet had a "rainbow" trajectory, the bullet dropping multiple yards (meters) at ranges greater than a few hundred yards (meters). A skilled shooter, firing at known range, could consistently hit targets that were 6 � 6 feet (1.8 m) at 600 yards (550 m)�the Army standard target. It was a skill valuable mainly in mass or volley fire, since accurate aimed fire on a man-sized target was effective only to about 300 yards (270 m).
After the Sandy Hook tests of 1879, a new variation of the .45-70 cartridge was produced: the .45-70-500, which fired a heavier 500 grain (32.5 g) bullet. The heavier 500-grain (32 g) bullet produced significantly superior ballistics, and could reach ranges of 3,350 yards (3,120 m), which were beyond the maximum range of the .45-70-405. While the effective range of the .45-70 on individual targets was limited to about 1,000 yards (915 m) with either load, the heavier bullet would produce lethal injuries at 3,500 yards (3,200 m). At those ranges, the bullets struck point-first at a roughly 30 degree angle, penetrating three 1-inch (2.5 cm) thick oak boards, and then traveling to a depth of 8 inches (20 cm) into the sand of the Sandy Hook beach*. It was hoped the longer range of the .45-70-500 would allow effective volley fire at ranges beyond those normally expected of infantry fire.[5]
"I never thought I'd live to see the day that a U.S. president would raise an army to invade his own country." Robert E. Lee
After the rifle was handed to the customer, he inquired of the counter help who'd just mounted his scope, "Why are these bases not sitting flush with the receiver?" The counter man replied, "Well, if they were flush the screw heads would all shear off before you got it sighted in."
That customer turned to me with conviction and said, "Wow, that guy really knows his stuff!"
"I never thought I'd live to see the day that a U.S. president would raise an army to invade his own country." Robert E. Lee
This one made it to print: On the '34 trip, I again saw a 7x57 Mauser fail miserably on mule deer. The president of KNX's brother-in-law carried this rifle. I for- got his name. Anyway I got him a shot at an awful nice buck with a good head at about 250 yards across a gulch. He hit him in the neck and it took off a vertebra and over an inch of the spinal cord. The buck dropped and laid there, and while we were crossing the gulch he jumped up and took off again. He hit him again and piled him up, so we got the buck all right but that 139-grain 7 mm had failed to do the job. It had cleared the spinal cord for over an inch and yet it hadn't put him down to stay. He was able to get up and run.
It was this sot of thing that caused me to be skeptical of anything Keith wrote..clearly the agenda was that if the vertebrae and inch of spinal cord had been blown away by a 333 OKH and 250 gr whoosis bullet, all would have been well with the world.Sometimes I think he made stuff up just to get a rise out of readers....and push an agenda. Many of his readers believed this nonsense...I bumped into more than few.
Despite his knowledge,I found you really had to sift through his writing to find the truth...this sort of stuff in print destroyed his credibility with lots of folks.
He did have several that made me scratch my head and wonder. Overall, I enjoyed his writing and one of my regrets is not taking the time to drive up to Salmon and meet him in person. I think that would have been enjoyable and educational.
P.S. And I do thank him every time I shoot my .44 mag.
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Broncos are officially the worst team in the nation this year.
Just heard one today. Guys sneaks up on a bull moose with a BB gun. Bull is knee deep with his snout under water grazing of something good. Guy shoots him in the balls with the BB gun, moose inhales and gags, drowning on the water....
I couldn't even muster a laff at that one...
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
Just heard one today. Guys sneaks up on a bull moose with a BB gun. Bull is knee deep with his snout under water grazing of something good. Guy shoots him in the balls with the BB gun, moose inhales and gags, drowning on the water....
I couldn't even muster a laff at that one...
At last! An answer to the ammo shortage.
drover
223 Rem, my favorite cartridge - you can't argue with truckloads of dead PD's and gophers.
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Still, it was one of the most astounding tales I've read in quite awhile. Grown man/girl lost on 5 ac? I thought, "It can't be true!", but then it was Jeff, a Twilight Zone legend. Only the Shadow knows.
I heard he wasn't posting because he proposed to Boxer.
Honest Injun. Would I lie to you? She said.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
It would shoot like 8000fps. It was AMAZINGLY fast for a .30 cal. You could sight it in at 200 yards and hit anything holding dead on all the way out to 600 yards or more. And when he shot hawgs with it the hole left was amazing. You could stick both hands in the hole...or your whole arm. He paid, like, $5000 for this rifle. It was a Weatherby special."
Some of the details are exaggerated, but the 30-378 Weatherby is amazingly fast for a 30 caliber and does shoot extremely flat. Perhaps not quite as fast nor flat as stated, but....
In a big box store I overheard the 'genius' clerk telling a customer that you NEVER wanted to use bronze brushes in a rifle barrel as the bronze, being harder than steel, would 'rub the grooves' out of your rifle. When the clerk left to go find some nylon brushes I walked off.smh
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