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486 grains at 305 fps, now to get hair in front of those pins.

Pins? I don't need no stinking pins! I shoot stick bows! Seven Lakes Longbow, 50#@ 29", Three Rivers cedar shafts, three 4" rh feather fletching, glue-on Magnus 125gr two-blade broad heads that will cut you just looking at them.

Pins....I need them like I need training wheels...

Ed

I'm trying an old PSE wheelbow this weekend...and yes it's probably at least 25 years old. semi-old school

That's an extraordinary level of power!

Be mindful of what is behind the animal!!

What are you shooting?

AB

Knowing Gunner, he's probably throwing them at the deer.

Ed

Ed, LOL, I have a stick bow too, but hate the hubcap sized groups at 15 yards, I'm just not 'mystical' enough to be the flight of the 'arrow'.

Tex, that will work, they take an extraordinary level of patience and practice.

JJ, she's a 'buster' for sure.

AB, shooting an old 2007 Mathews Black Max II with max pull and a turbo cam, my draw length is about 31"s, arrows are easton axis 300's @ 10.7 gpi, broadheads are the 125 gr G5 Striker Magnums.

Good lord Gunner!

31" draw .... do you get an inordinate amount of requests from your buddies to help follow blood trails so that they then have your help getting animals out of the woods?!

I really like those 125gr G5 Strikers. I have used them with my setup that pushes a 440gr at a little over 300fps and they blow through stuff!

LOL, yes, my bow feels about 1" short as is, but I think that's as far as it will go at around 30"s.

Correct on the 'drag buds' too.

Screw that,...94 degrees, sweat runnning down your butt-crack and swatting at mosqitoes isn't my idea of hunting...

You go have all the fun you can stand...

I will, in SE Montana this weekend.

Gunner doesn't drag animals out of the field, he just picks them up, throws them over his shoulder and walks out. Unless he has two elk down at once, then he he will take time to field dress them first.

Ed

Hubcaps are OK, wheel covers, now that's something entirely different.

It's just practice, Gunner. Consistent practice. Besides, as Fred Bear once said; "Anyone can shoot a perfect second shot, it's the first one that counts." He would shoot one arrow each morning off his back porch before coffee.

I typically don't shoot for groups. I have a round bale at 25 yards from my deck and pick a spot on it to shoot at. Rarely will I pick the same spot twice. I also don't shoot for more than fifteen minutes at at time without taking a break.

Ed

Gunner, if I might suggest... teeny tiny aiming point to shoot stick bows... I started putting part of an arrow shaft in the target and trying to touch or hit it every shot... up close... and moving back. Amazing what you can do if you make the target really hard.

A LOT!!!!! of practice Ed, the angle/cant, all come in to play here.

Very aggravating at times. lol

Now I know what those two very short arrows are for that came with my Toelke Montana whip longbow , Thanks Rost.

It just can help the concentration... you know..aim at a single hair, not an area or the whole deer...

We used to play tag all the time. Someone shoot an arrow into the edge of the target, as close as you dare, and then everyone else needed to touch that arrow. You could get lucky fletch to fletch...

This is a game we also play, except we call it "Chase the Rabbit". We do it out stump shooting as well as on the round bale.

When I mentioned picking a spot on the bale, I meant a single piece of straw or a small shadow.

My nieces and nephew were here all last week and we shot bows every day. Our favorite target was the 4" water balloons you get from WalMart. I taught them to pick a spot on the balloon, most likely the lightest spot on the balloon and shoot for it. Even the seven year old got quite adept from 10 yards. Once the balloon was broken, then we switched to shooting at the piece of the balloon that was left on the pin.
My 11 year old nephew and his 15 year old sister were good back to 20 yards by the end of the week.

When I start practicing after a break, I don't worry so much about the cant of the bow as I do anchor point and release.

Going back and forth from using a string release to fingers has caused me much grief over the years. That may be part of the issue with the "hubcap" groups.

Ed

I have never been good with a tab. I run a glove IF I run anything and to be honest I shot a LOT with fingers only. I prefer the feel. But its heck on fingers but lucky I shoot only mid 50s for draw.

I have never much worried about cant, assuming the arrow is almost on top of your knuckles as it should be for me, its never made that much of a difference. Pick the hair, hit it fine, hit close to it even with a cant and its still almost always "good enough"