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I've known about ebola since the 80's, I know a little about it.
Its passed by more than just bodily fluids.
A cough, a sneeze, sweat that runs thru the eyes and innocently wiped with your hand or forearm, fluid from the eyes, say from crying, not washing your hands after going to the bath room, etc.
How many times when shaking it does a drop fling and get on your hand?
A virus doesn't immediately die when exposed to the outside air.
Why else do they scrub with bleach?

Say what you want, think what you want.
I for one, can see what's coming.
Incubation is short, where many won't see the symptoms as much more than a cold or flu.

Hopefully it'll run rampant in population centers and not spread to rural areas.
A good cleansing of the hood rat population can't be a bad thing.

Ill shut up for now, and just sit back and watch and listen.
Time will tell.
I wish us all the best.

He knew he had been directly exposed to the virus in Africa. He knew he had a very HIGH chance of catching it (carrying around the dying patients in his homeland). He knew that he would get free health care here. He had to have lied on his air travel questionaire to get on the US flights.

He knew what he was doing all along. Tip of the iceberg, unless they prosecute him very quickly.

Show me the meat one epidemic stopped at a border.

Couple points come to mind:

Just because an effort is unlikely to have perfect results, doesn't mean you don't make the attempt.

Why there aren't specific restrictions on those traveling through or from any of these 3 or 4 countries that currently are HOT is beyond me. Anyone that has one of these countries stamped on their passport needs to have special screening. Kind of like any traveler that currently travels to the US from Syria or Pakistan or shows on their passport to have traveled to one of these countries. But in this instance, people who have been in the HOT zone should be screened medically and profiled for their potential to be a vector.

Why we are providing any visas to anyone who is from the HOT zone is beyond me. Why we aren't restricting travel to the HOT zone for any US citizens except for medical personnel is also beyond me. If US citizens want to travel there, no problem, but they should be forced to quarantine themselves 3 weeks prior to their return.

As to your question Miles, the BSE epidemic that took place in Canada, Great Britain and various countries in South America was mostly stopped in its tracks by severe travel restrictions.

Granted, this is an animal disease, but that is the interesting thing. Our country attacked that problem more aggressively with regards to restrictions of cattle movement and movement of people than they are this outbreak of Ebola.

If you had traveled to a HOT zone during the BSE outbreak, you were screened at multiple levels, required to answer direct questioning multiple times, forced to discard gear that could potentially be a vector, forced to wash and clean your shoes and other gear under the watchful eye of customs agents.

The news from this morning suggests that just taking a picture of someone with Ebola gets you there. I'm being sarcastic but yeah, I think we will find out that transmission is easier than has been said - and that's very bad news.

It doesn't stop at just contact or proximity to the person. It's what they've been in contact with such as clothing, sheets and so on. I agree with the comment early that such things should be immediately incinerated. This should be standard protocol for all proven cases. This includes any sort of non-hard surface furniture. A metal chair can be disinfected but anything with a cloth cushion is not worth the trouble it would take to disinfect it. I'd be burning the beds as well. Sweat soaks through sheets, as does any body fluid. Now is the time to move to serious protocols like this.

I also saw where his family that was under quarantine tried to leave the house. They had to post police outside the home to make sure they don't leave.

He knew he had been directly exposed to the virus in Africa. He knew he had a very HIGH chance of catching it (carrying around the dying patients in his homeland). He knew that he would get free health care here. He had to have lied on his air travel questionaire to get on the US flights.

He knew what he was doing all along. Tip of the iceberg, unless they prosecute him very quickly.

Needs to be charged and prosecuted immediately. He lied to leave Liberia, so he could be treated in US.

What part of Obamacare covers this non citizen black prick? Maybe Pelosi can answer that now that it has been passed she can find out what's in it.

This is why it's hard to keep a straight face when discussing something like Ebola with people who have no idea what they are talking about.

BSE is not transmissible in the normal sense of infectious disease. Prevent the ingestion of the prions whether in fecal matter or in processed feed and there is no transmission. That's why it is so effectively controlled without medication or vaccination.

BSE is transmitted by feeding animals (cows) "parts" from other animals rendered at temperatures inadequate to killing the prions that cause BSE. First, feeding cows other animal "parts" is just more than a little aberrant and asking for trouble. Second, feeding them sheep by products (parts) is begging trouble. Scrapie is the sheep version of BSE. Scrapie is not a new disease. Scrapie is near impossible to eliminate as we've found out in our wild cervids.

Lastly, BSE was not stopped by quarantine. It did make it to Europe and it did manage to infect people there. Granted, the people ate beef from the UK. But it was not stopped by barricade. It made it to Canada and the US. I do not know if the source was ever proven in US cattle to be traceable directly back to UK, but it matters not for this discussion since it did not get stopped in England and did make it to Canada and to Europe and a few other places if I remember right.

Ebola quite possibly could be prevented as effectively as BSE if as we suspect it is initially acquired by eating a carrier host species. BUT...once Ebola DISEASE is acquired by a human it becomes contagious to humans and some other primates who make the connection between body fluids of the infected human and ingestion/mucosal/blood contact to themselves.

I would very strongly suspect Ebola is transmissible well before a person becomes symptomatic, contrary to what CDC/WHO is saying though. I would surprise me greatly that it was not transmissible earlier in precisely the same way HIV is transmitted. It seems to be pretty clear that casual contact is sufficient for transmission which would indicate a low viral particle count is all it takes. That Ebola can incubate in as little as two days and produce severe illness in that time, is compelling argument that longer incubation would produce virus particles in blood and semen like with HIV and when combined with a low count needed to infect, that it probably would do so.

The evidence of HIV like transmission would be less obvious since Ebola produces severe illness and kills so quickly, and just physical contact is all it requires once symptoms begin. This is something that we'll probably learn out of this epidemic and that will just fall into the "yeah, that makes sense" category.

My we are full of ourselves here aren't we??

Yes I am quite familiar with the transmission of BSE and the fact it is not contagious animal to animal.

Your question was, "Show me the meat one epidemic stopped at a border."

And I did. The epidemic of BSE was mostly stopped at the border by restricting transit of animals and animal products at our border.

My post was a little misleading in that I accidentally edited out my intended reference to FMD as well as BSE before I finished my first post. Both these diseases were stopped by severely restricting transport of animals and potential vectors coming into the United States.

The harsh screening we experienced repeatedly all had the focus of stopping FMD at our border. Was it fullproof? No, but nothing is.

As far as BSE goes, yes we stopped it by stopping the vectors from entering the country, older animals beyond 30 months of age and any byproducts that could contain the prions that could cause BSE.

I too am very wary of the statement that ebola is not transmissible until symptomatic. That makes no sense to me on the surface, but I don't really feel like reading up on the research that is used to support this argument. Suffice to say, based on my understanding of viral infections and their transmissions, I would be very concerned about transmission well before the host was symptomatic.

Not full of myself. Just tired of trying to inject a little sense into discussions between fear mongering idiots. Tell me whch border FMD was stopped at. In fact, find me a continent that never had it.

You need a better example.

... but that doesn't mean you don't make an effort and become proactive in trying to minimize the spread and ultimate damage done to our citizens.

Bingo.