The United States has its first confirmed case of the Ebola virus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Tuesday, marking the first domestic appearance of the deadly virus that has ravaged swaths of continental Africa.
Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas officials said in a statement earlier Monday that an unnamed patient was being tested for Ebola and had been placed in "strict isolation" due to the patient's symptoms and recent travel history.
The CDC will host a press conference at its Atlanta headquarters at 5:30 p.m., ET.
At least 3,091 people have died from Ebola since the West African outbreak was first identified in Guinea six months ago. Last week, the CDC warned that between 550,000 and 1.4 million people in West Africa could be infected with Ebola by January 2015.
News of the virus' appearance sent the share prices of key biotechnology and pharmaceutical companies skyrocketing in after-hours trading, in anticipation that large drug companies may benefit from creating a vaccine. BioCryst Pharma shot up 15 percent in after-market trading, while Tekmira soared by nearly 17 percent.
Well fugg, we import everything else, why not a virus or three, hey?
Gotta ask a simple question here. How easy would it have been maybe a month or three back to block travel between the U.S. and Africa or regions therein until this chitt settles out?
Fed right the fug up with the Federal Government.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
Well fugg, we import everything else, why not a virus or three, hey?
Gotta ask a simple question here. How easy would it have been maybe a month or three back to block travel between the U.S. and Africa or regions therein until this chitt settles out?
Fed right the fug up with the Federal Government.
Only travel from the infected region needed to be block.
Aid, researchers, and would be do-gooders could have still be allowed to travel to the Ebola region. Those going in would just have had to go for the duration.
Well fugg, we import everything else, why not a virus or three, hey?
Gotta ask a simple question here. How easy would it have been maybe a month or three back to block travel between the U.S. and Africa or regions therein until this chitt settles out?
Fed right the fug up with the Federal Government.
Only travel from the infected region needed to be block.
Aid, researchers, and would be do-gooders could have still be allowed to travel to the Ebola region. Those going in would just have had to go for the duration.
Yeah, right! And do tell how we prevent someone who wants to come here because we appear to have better medical treatment available and they decide to come by way of Zaire, Namibia, Mozambique and South Africa?
We cannot manage a secure border across any single state in the southwest. How do you propose we manage to lock down a much, much longer boundary, most of which is jungle and please tell us while you're at it just how many troops you'll need to do this and how we keep them on duty and where all those hazmat suits will come from?
THIS is why it's in our best interest to put that fire out over there as quickly as possible.
Well fugg, we import everything else, why not a virus or three, hey?
Gotta ask a simple question here. How easy would it have been maybe a month or three back to block travel between the U.S. and Africa or regions therein until this chitt settles out?
Fed right the fug up with the Federal Government.
Only travel from the infected region needed to be block.
Aid, researchers, and would be do-gooders could have still be allowed to travel to the Ebola region. Those going in would just have had to go for the duration.
wow, you know jack chit about the way international travel works dont you? hell when i went to Australia i did it via Tokyo and Singapore....blocking just people coming from the whole of Africa is gonna do jack chit unless every country world wide does.....cause if yu pass the phugger in an airport anywhere in the world before coming here you can catch it and bring it....
like i said in the other post, this is going to be one interesting personal freedom rabbit hole we are going to go down, my only surprise is it hasnt happened earlier and the dumb chit in charge isnt giving me a warm fuzzy feeling with how its going to play out
A serious student of the "Armchair Safari" always looking for Africa/Asia hunting books
Well fugg, we import everything else, why not a virus or three, hey?
Gotta ask a simple question here. How easy would it have been maybe a month or three back to block travel between the U.S. and Africa or regions therein until this chitt settles out?
Fed right the fug up with the Federal Government.
Only travel from the infected region needed to be block.
Aid, researchers, and would be do-gooders could have still be allowed to travel to the Ebola region. Those going in would just have had to go for the duration.
Yeah, right! And do tell how we prevent someone who wants to come here because we appear to have better medical treatment available and they decide to come by way of Zaire, Namibia, Mozambique and South Africa?
We cannot manage a secure border across any single state in the southwest. How do you propose we manage to lock down a much, much longer boundary, most of which is jungle and please tell us while you're at it just how many troops you'll need to do this and how we keep them on duty and where all those hazmat suits will come from?
THIS is why it's in our best interest to put that fire out over there as quickly as possible.
Central Africa has no indigenous aviation capacity. In all of Africa only RSA has any entirely indigenous aviation capacity, and it is not intercontinental. Planes, spares, and almost all ATC and pilots are from outside the region. An FAA followed by an ICAO flight restriction instantly leaves them no means of rapid travel to spread Ebola.
A raft made from oil drums and old Chevy station wagons isn't going to get them from Liberia to America, certainly not in time to spread Ebola.
Well fugg, we import everything else, why not a virus or three, hey?
Gotta ask a simple question here. How easy would it have been maybe a month or three back to block travel between the U.S. and Africa or regions therein until this chitt settles out?
Fed right the fug up with the Federal Government.
Only travel from the infected region needed to be block.
Aid, researchers, and would be do-gooders could have still be allowed to travel to the Ebola region. Those going in would just have had to go for the duration.
Yeah, right! And do tell how we prevent someone who wants to come here because we appear to have better medical treatment available and they decide to come by way of Zaire, Namibia, Mozambique and South Africa?
We cannot manage a secure border across any single state in the southwest. How do you propose we manage to lock down a much, much longer boundary, most of which is jungle and please tell us while you're at it just how many troops you'll need to do this and how we keep them on duty and where all those hazmat suits will come from?
THIS is why it's in our best interest to put that fire out over there as quickly as possible.
Central Africa has no indigenous aviation capacity. In all of Africa only RSA has any entirely indigenous aviation capacity, and it is not intercontinental. Planes, spares, and almost all ATC and pilots are from outside the region. An FAA followed by an ICAO flight restriction instantly leaves them no means of rapid travel to spread Ebola.
A raft made from oil drums and old Chevy station wagons isn't going to get them from Liberia to America, certainly not in time to spread Ebola.
you obviously know jack chit about it all cause it sure can easily get to places like Europe without going through South Africa.....its not just in Liberia....its found in 1/3 of Africa....more if you take the phuggin near no mans land of the Saharah out of the factoring.....it can get out of Africa a hell of alot easier than you think....hell Africa aint even the only continent these viruses naturally occur on....
go ahead keep thinking your safe if we shut down west africa....peo[le are way to mobile these days to keep anything anywhere for long....
A serious student of the "Armchair Safari" always looking for Africa/Asia hunting books
I don't think it's in Texas. I heard it's in Dallas.
Whew! Had me concerned there for a minute.
Ed
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Central Africa has no indigenous aviation capacity. In all of Africa only RSA has any entirely indigenous aviation capacity, and it is not intercontinental. Planes, spares, and almost all ATC and pilots are from outside the region. An FAA followed by an ICAO flight restriction instantly leaves them no means of rapid travel to spread Ebola.
A raft made from oil drums and old Chevy station wagons isn't going to get them from Liberia to America, certainly not in time to spread Ebola.
Bulls--t top to bottom. How f--king stupid are you???
Not only is there a pretty fair amount of private and public air travel available, there s a s--tload of countries providing air travel. Many of the countries are notoriously corrupt making an embargo on people with a few bucks virtually impossible, much like Mexico.
We can't keep children from crossing the border. How in hell can you even begin to dream up a scenario in which we could secure a much longer, much more difficult border in a fully sovereign country(s) on another continent? Not a damn prayer.
Central Africa has no indigenous aviation capacity. In all of Africa only RSA has any entirely indigenous aviation capacity, and it is not intercontinental. Planes, spares, and almost all ATC and pilots are from outside the region. An FAA followed by an ICAO flight restriction instantly leaves them no means of rapid travel to spread Ebola.
A raft made from oil drums and old Chevy station wagons isn't going to get them from Liberia to America, certainly not in time to spread Ebola.
Bulls--t top to bottom. How f--king stupid are you???
Not only is there a pretty fair amount of private and public air travel available, there s a s--tload of countries providing air travel. Many of the countries are notoriously corrupt making an embargo on people with a few bucks virtually impossible, much like Mexico.
We can't keep children from crossing the border. How in hell can you even begin to dream up a scenario in which we could secure a much longer, much more difficult border in a fully sovereign country(s) on another continent? Not a damn prayer.
Your screaming insults doesn't change facts.
The region has no indigenous aviation and the continent's only indigenous aviation is in RSA and is not intercontinental.
A TFR from FAA and ICAO could instantly cease all legal flights from the Ebola region.
Many pilots are already refusing flights to the region and lobbying for those TFRs.
yeah but it wont stop everyone, someone will still be willing to make a buck to drop someone off in Kenya or Egypt and from there no big deal to hit Europe.....and like i said the original patient doesnt have to make it, they can infect someone along the way that does....
A serious student of the "Armchair Safari" always looking for Africa/Asia hunting books
The region has no indigenous aviation and the continent's only indigenous aviation is in RSA and is not intercontinental.
A TFR from FAA and ICAO could instantly cease all legal flights from the Ebola region.
Many pilots are already refusing flights to the region and lobbying for those TFRs.
Not screaming insults. Just stating fact: You're an idiot who hasn't got a clue. What part of people making more than one hop is it that you do not understand exactly? To truly isolate it you will have to shut down travel to and from virtually everywhere.
im not saying nothing should be done, just saying Rovering's idea is [bleep] idiotic in that it wont work....your not going to shut down air travel in Africa....no way no how unless you took a shoot down stance militarily.....and thats not going to happen.....
A serious student of the "Armchair Safari" always looking for Africa/Asia hunting books
Just because you can't stop everyone doesn't mean that you shouldn't stop as many as you can.
You are as bad as Rovering.
It's an infectious disease in a number of corrupt third world countries. You cannot let it go and then expect to contain it there. The only viable option is to put out the fire now.
The leaks we can deal with. Putting the fire out minimizes the leaks better than anything else I know of.
Just talked to my daughter.The doctor she works for is the one treating the Ebola patient.Not concerned about it spreading from the hospital just where else is it already.
Originally Posted by jdm953
My daughter works there.At least she is a paper pusher and dosnt deal with patients directly very often.
Originally Posted by ShortMagFan
Sweet. I am on a plane to Dallas as I type this.
Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
He who has braved youths dizzy heat dreads not the frost of age.
just cause its not an attractive option doesnt mean its not the right one....though im not quite sure what sending the general military was supposed to do but as ive said, this administration could phug up a wet dream
A serious student of the "Armchair Safari" always looking for Africa/Asia hunting books
Just because you can't stop everyone doesn't mean that you shouldn't stop as many as you can.
You are as bad as Rovering.
It's an infectious disease in a number of corrupt third world countries. You cannot let it go and then expect to contain it there. The only viable option is to put out the fire now.
The leaks we can deal with. Putting the fire out minimizes the leaks better than anything else I know of.
You are presenting a false dilemma.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
It is insane to not do both.
Stopping quick and easy travel from the region should have been the first step, and if it had been taken we would not have this Ebola outbreak / case in Texas.
im not saying nothing should be done, just saying Rovering's idea is [bleep] idiotic in that it wont work....your not going to shut down air travel in Africa....no way no how unless you took a shoot down stance militarily.....and thats not going to happen.....
If the TFR I suggested had been in place, this case / outbreak of Ebola in Texas would not exist. Simple fact.
Just because you can't stop everyone doesn't mean that you shouldn't stop as many as you can.
You are as bad as Rovering.
It's an infectious disease in a number of corrupt third world countries. You cannot let it go and then expect to contain it there. The only viable option is to put out the fire now.
The leaks we can deal with. Putting the fire out minimizes the leaks better than anything else I know of.
Miles, with all due respect, your faith in the competence of our government to contain Ebola in Africa is extremely naive. And, you do scream insults on a regular basis. Might want to consider toning it down a bit. Ranting may make you feel better but it doesn't make your positions any more convincing.
im not saying nothing should be done, just saying Rovering's idea is [bleep] idiotic in that it wont work....your not going to shut down air travel in Africa....no way no how unless you took a shoot down stance militarily.....and thats not going to happen.....
If the TFR I suggested had been in place, this case / outbreak of Ebola in Texas would not exist. Simple fact.
and what is that going to do about Africa, TFR's are done by the US, leaving out everyone else.....the disease can just as easily get here via Paris or London as straight from Africa.....unless you shut down ALL air travel its going to do jack chit...
A serious student of the "Armchair Safari" always looking for Africa/Asia hunting books
im not saying nothing should be done, just saying Rovering's idea is [bleep] idiotic in that it wont work....your not going to shut down air travel in Africa....no way no how unless you took a shoot down stance militarily.....and thats not going to happen.....
If the TFR I suggested had been in place, this case / outbreak of Ebola in Texas would not exist. Simple fact.
If the TFR had been in place, if it had been enforced, if there had been no leaks and on down the line. Keep up with the fairy tales. Maybe someone will believe them someday.
im not saying nothing should be done, just saying Rovering's idea is [bleep] idiotic in that it wont work....your not going to shut down air travel in Africa....no way no how unless you took a shoot down stance militarily.....and thats not going to happen.....
If the TFR I suggested had been in place, this case / outbreak of Ebola in Texas would not exist. Simple fact.
If the TFR had been in place, if it had been enforced, if there had been no leaks and on down the line. Keep up with the fairy tales. Maybe someone will believe them someday.
You are spinning the fairy tale.
This is not a hypothetical. This is an actual factual case / outbreak. The patient that brought Ebola to Texas flew from the Ebola region on ordinary commercial flights, which would / should have been stopped by the FAA and ICAO TFRs that I suggested here and that I and other pilots have suggested and lobbied for elsewhere.
im not saying nothing should be done, just saying Rovering's idea is [bleep] idiotic in that it wont work....your not going to shut down air travel in Africa....no way no how unless you took a shoot down stance militarily.....and thats not going to happen.....
If the TFR I suggested had been in place, this case / outbreak of Ebola in Texas would not exist. Simple fact.
If the TFR had been in place, if it had been enforced, if there had been no leaks and on down the line. Keep up with the fairy tales. Maybe someone will believe them someday.
You are spinning the fairy tale.
This is not a hypothetical. This is an actual factual case / outbreak. The patient that brought Ebola to Texas flew from the Ebola region on ordinary commercial flights, which would / should have been stopped by the FAA and ICAO TFRs that I suggested here and that I and other pilots have suggested and lobbied for elsewhere.
and the same guy coulda hopped a flight to Ghana, to London or Paris and then to the states....its a feel good action that actually accomplishes jack chit.........
A serious student of the "Armchair Safari" always looking for Africa/Asia hunting books
Miles, with all due respect, your faith in the competence of our government to contain Ebola in Africa is extremely naive. And, you do scream insults on a regular basis. Might want to consider toning it down a bit. Ranting may make you feel better but it doesn't make your positions any more convincing.
Rick
If you don't like being told your ideas are just plain f--cking stupid then maybe some thinking might get you a little relief. Until you get some understanding of what's going on and give up the fear mongering you not only deserve to be told your a jackass without the comprehension to participate in an adult discussion, you don't deserve the time of day.
People with years of training are telling you the truth about how to manage this and how little threat it really poses to us and you just like TRH do not comprehend what you don't want to hear.
Pay attention! I will use simple words. We have more than enough capacity to handle many times the number of patients involved to date in Africa without losing control of an epidemic here and without the probability of infecting our medical personnel. That mean it will be impossible for all intents and purposes to leak that many people here to infect others.
I have said this several times in these discussions, there is not huge numbers of infected people present there at any given time. If those countries could find all of the currently infected people they could put this fire out themselves. As primitive as their medical infrastructure is compared to ours, they are still capable even after the damage they have sustained to that infrastructure.
I'd damn sure like to get the straight goods on that, as well.
GTC
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I think all thats known is that he left Liberia Sunday before last.Called paramedics last Sunday and taken to Presbyterian.Something to know is that Presbyterian is a top notch 21 century medical facility.This stuff dosnt bother them in the least.They know exactly how to contain it.They zeroed in on it with the first blood tests.They knew what is was really quick.Hes in the right place.
Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
He who has braved youths dizzy heat dreads not the frost of age.
This is not a hypothetical. This is an actual factual case / outbreak. The patient that brought Ebola to Texas flew from the Ebola region on ordinary commercial flights, which would / should have been stopped by the FAA and ICAO TFRs that I suggested here and that I and other pilots have suggested and lobbied for elsewhere.
and the same guy coulda hopped a flight to Ghana, to London or Paris and then to the states....its a feel good action that actually accomplishes jack chit.........
Yours is the same fairy tale as Miles'.
An actual real Ebola case / outbreak has been flown to Texas that would not have happened if the TFRs had been in place.
Even stepping from real life into your fairy tail under the TFRs, your first two hypothetical flights would not have existed.
Ebola is in Texas tonight, only, because these TFRs were / are not in place.
This is not a hypothetical. This is an actual factual case / outbreak. The patient that brought Ebola to Texas flew from the Ebola region on ordinary commercial flights, which would / should have been stopped by the FAA and ICAO TFRs that I suggested here and that I and other pilots have suggested and lobbied for elsewhere.
and the same guy coulda hopped a flight to Ghana, to London or Paris and then to the states....its a feel good action that actually accomplishes jack chit.........
Yours is the same fairy tale as Miles'.
An actual real Ebola case / outbreak has been flown to Texas that would not have happened if the TFRs had been in place.
Even stepping from real life into your fairy tail under the TFRs, your first two hypothetical flights would not have existed.
Ebola is in Texas tonight, only, because these TFRs were / are not in place.
and your counting on TFR's being enforced in a corrupt third world country great thinking there.......
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I think all thats known is that he left Liberia Sunday before last.Called paramedics last Sunday and taken to Presbyterian.Something to know is that Presbyterian is a top notch 21 century medical facility.This stuff dosnt bother them in the least.They know exactly how to contain it.They zeroed in on it with the first blood tests.They knew what is was really quick.Hes in the right place.
False. All who work at that hospital wonder if they came in contact with a door he touched. You would too. They worry about all the folks he came in contact with before the DX and all those he came in contact with, came in contact with.
CDC is now trying to run down thousands of people.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
My daughter works there.The Doctor treating the Ebola is the doctor she works for.
Originally Posted by eyeball
Originally Posted by jdm953
I think all thats known is that he left Liberia Sunday before last.Called paramedics last Sunday and taken to Presbyterian.Something to know is that Presbyterian is a top notch 21 century medical facility.This stuff dosnt bother them in the least.They know exactly how to contain it.They zeroed in on it with the first blood tests.They knew what is was really quick.Hes in the right place.
False. All who work at that hospital wonder if they came in contact with a door he touched. You would too. They worry about all the folks he came in contact with before the DX and all those he came in contact with, came in contact with.
CDC is now trying to run down thousands of people.
Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
He who has braved youths dizzy heat dreads not the frost of age.
My daughter works there.The Doctor treating the Ebola is the doctor she works for.
Originally Posted by eyeball
Originally Posted by jdm953
I think all thats known is that he left Liberia Sunday before last.Called paramedics last Sunday and taken to Presbyterian.Something to know is that Presbyterian is a top notch 21 century medical facility.This stuff dosnt bother them in the least.They know exactly how to contain it.They zeroed in on it with the first blood tests.They knew what is was really quick.Hes in the right place.
False. All who work at that hospital wonder if they came in contact with a door he touched. You would too. They worry about all the folks he came in contact with before the DX and all those he came in contact with, came in contact with.
CDC is now trying to run down thousands of people.
When the patient flew over here he was not contagious.He got sick a about five days later.Its true the paramedics are in quarantine but were placed there and not sick yet.They got a handle on this.
Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
He who has braved youths dizzy heat dreads not the frost of age.
I think all thats known is that he left Liberia Sunday before last.Called paramedics last Sunday and taken to Presbyterian.Something to know is that Presbyterian is a top notch 21 century medical facility.This stuff dosnt bother them in the least.They know exactly how to contain it.They zeroed in on it with the first blood tests.They knew what is was really quick.Hes in the right place.
So this person was wondering around Dallas for a week after his visit to Liberia then got to feeling poorly and called the free ambulance ride to the hospital. Puts the fire dept guys in isolation for the next 21 days or so.
I talked with her when I heard about it.She made me feel better.Shes not worried about it.As far as she is concerned they got this covered.I do think about if it mutates,she is the mother of both my gransons (7&2).Shes not worried.
Originally Posted by Wtxj
Originally Posted by jdm953
My daughter works there.The Doctor treating the Ebola is the doctor she works for.
Originally Posted by eyeball
Originally Posted by jdm953
I think all thats known is that he left Liberia Sunday before last.Called paramedics last Sunday and taken to Presbyterian.Something to know is that Presbyterian is a top notch 21 century medical facility.This stuff dosnt bother them in the least.They know exactly how to contain it.They zeroed in on it with the first blood tests.They knew what is was really quick.Hes in the right place.
False. All who work at that hospital wonder if they came in contact with a door he touched. You would too. They worry about all the folks he came in contact with before the DX and all those he came in contact with, came in contact with.
CDC is now trying to run down thousands of people.
Well jdm953 are you worried about your daughter?
Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
He who has braved youths dizzy heat dreads not the frost of age.
When the patient flew over here he was not contagious.He got sick a about five days later.Its true the paramedics are in quarantine but were placed there and not sick yet.They got a handle on this.
It's only been 3 days. Not time to get sick yet. Worry is not with the fire dept guys so much as flight crew 8 days ago, all passangers on that plane, taxi drive home, wondering around for 5 days.
jdm953, you can not work around this and worry all the time. I understand that and your daughters attitude. The worry is all the people on that plane, his family for the 5 days, his wondering around DFW for that time.
We will not know the answer to the above for at least 21 days and see who else gets sick.
In case it got missed earlier my daughter is a paper pusher and will not come in direct contact with the patient.Shes spends most her time in the professional building, part of the hospital complex.Many buildings in that place.This will not go far if anywhere in Dallas.They got plenty of problems in Dallas but this isnt a biggy.
Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
He who has braved youths dizzy heat dreads not the frost of age.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
I'll repeat myself from the very first thread about ebola.
" And so it begins "
It's gonna become a big thing here. Once it gets to the cities, it'll spread quick. Count on it.
My thoughts, we could use a good cleansing.
You're a damned idiot who knows less about viruses/modern medicine than an average avocado does. Anyone who thinks "we could use a good cleansing" is an has no f'ing idea what that entails. I'd recommend you read "The Great Influenza" by John Barry but it's way too far above your reading comprehension, so stick with your coloring books. Lucky for you, viruses don't always kill the dumbest of pea brains. You'd be screwed if they did!
"The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that lightening ain't distributed right." - Mark Twain
Me too.... (the CDC guy in the article from your link)
�It is not a potential of Ebola spreading widely in the U.S. That is not in the cards,�
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
My fiance is a respiratory therapist. And stubborn. I've tried to talk to her and put some logic in her head that if her hospital should get a case of ebola she should just call in, or resign. She refuses to listen. So I spoke to her boss and informed him, that should it happen and the resp. Dept soes not refuse to treat and work around the pt, and my fiance gets sick. i will hunt him down
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Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
My fiance is a respiratory therapist. And stubborn. I've tried to talk to her and put some logic in her head that if her hospital should get a case of ebola she should just call in, or resign. She refuses to listen. So I spoke to her boss and informed him, that should it happen and the resp. Dept soes not refuse to treat and work around the pt, and my fiance gets sick. i will hunt him down
That'll look good on one's resume'.....
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My fiance is a respiratory therapist. And stubborn. I've tried to talk to her and put some logic in her head that if her hospital should get a case of ebola she should just call in, or resign. She refuses to listen. So I spoke to her boss and informed him, that should it happen and the resp. Dept soes not refuse to treat and work around the pt, and my fiance gets sick. i will hunt him down
If they KNOW they are dealing with Ebola, then it isn't a problem.
The problem is when you DON'T know it's Ebola.
And, FWIW, in the same manner that I didn't miss a movement while in the Marines, I won't shirk my duty at the hospital I work at.
I don't think it'll be a big deal, but the news media is going to pimp it for every last bit of ratings.
As long as ebola remains loose in West Africa, this sort of thing is bound to happen on a semi-regular basis.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
jdm....maybe you can ask your daughter if she has heard what treatment the Liberian patient will receive? I ask this because the supply of ZMAPP is being reported as being zero and will take months to regenerate. Will blood transfusions be used?
Only ask if you feel this will not violate any doctor-patient confidentiality and not put your daughter's job at risk. Eventually some member of the press will ask the same question at a news conference.
With a 10-21 day incubation period, I would think that made the Ebola-positive gentleman very contagious right about when he was on the flight.
How many hundreds/thousands of people would he have come in contact with over the past two weeks???
Local news is saying the guy went to the hospital on Friday sick. He was given a drug and sent away. So from Friday until Sunday afternoon he was wondering around what ever area apartment complex he was staying in or stores in the area. Sweat was added to the list of contact fluids in todays paper.
This is from today's news release from the Homeland Security Newswire;
"The CDC said the patient left Liberia on 19 September, but did not develop symptoms until 24 September, when he was already in Dallas. He was admitted to the Texas Health Presbyterian hospital in Dallas on Sunday, 27 September."
So, he had at least three days of being symptomatic and out of quarantine in Dallas before being admitted. While it requires close contact with body fluids or secretions to contract Ebola, his entire family (whom he was visiting) and any others who visited during that time will also be subject to quarantine. I hope.
My hope, and it's just hope, that this thing does not mutate to become airborne capable. There is already lab test results showing interspecies, non-physical contact transmission of at least one form of Ebola, so it IS possible.
Meanwhile, I'm going to live my life as I have before Ebola became the latest MSM hysteria.
Ed
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jdm....maybe you can ask your daughter if she has heard what treatment the Liberian patient will receive? I ask this because the supply of ZMAPP is being reported as being zero and will take months to regenerate. Will blood transfusions be used?
Only ask if you feel this will not violate any doctor-patient confidentiality and not put your daughter's job at risk. Eventually some member of the press will ask the same question at a news conference.
They will more than likely throw a combination of anti-virals at it and it they have some available they will use blood (whit cells) to get antibodies into him. With a virus, there isn't much they can do other than supportive care. Keep him hydrated, keep him breathing, keep his fever down. His immune system will either kill him or save him.
Put the fire out over there or there will be leaks. If you want to try to prevent leaks it's going to be ungodly expensive and in all probability futile.
There is no country on earth that has yet demonstrated an ability to control it's borders and prevent entry by determined people, regardless of how onerous the violation of civil rights employed.
The ignorant fear mongers like TRH and Rovering probably will never get that. We can't even keep Mexican children out.
If you want to worry about something, worry about someone deliberately spreading this fire to impoverished places around the world, similarly lacking in medical facilities as is West Africa. Then watch what scared people do. Where they try to get to. They'll react just like the Africans in this, they will hide it, they will deny it, they will try to flee it.
I don't doubt you know what you are talking about, but you are assuming that there are not people who actually want an epidemic here.
Of course there are people who want it here. They're just as dangerous as idiots who want to try ineffective measures and deny that their best hope lies in stopping this where it began.
No, he is one of them; or he is just a loud parrot squawking in mimicry of every bit of their misinformation.
OK dumb F--k...
Explain to us all just how well the travel bans and restrictions we put in place to stop HIV were. They tried it your way once.
In point of fact show us one disease ever held in place by any restriction. Just one.
What you are too busy parroting misinformation to be able to grasp is that we needn't reach for comparisons nor create hypothetical scenarios. We have a factual Ebola case / outbreak in Texas and we know how it got there.
A person with Ebola boarded an ordinary scheduled airline flight or sequence of flights from the known Ebola epidemic country of Liberia to Texas, where the person became both symptomatic and contagious exposing Americans to Ebola.
If those ordinary scheduled airline flight or sequence of flights had been banned by TFR, as some in aviation have been calling for, that person would not now be in America having exposed Americans to Ebola. Simple, known, concrete facts.
You can spin your fantasy that some Nigerian Prince with his own Gulfstream would have eventually got Ebola, shanghaied a crew from Hong Kong, and flew under ATC radar in radio and transponder silence to Juarez then sneaked across the border all before dieing to still expose Americans to Ebola; but that isn't what has actually happened.
What has actually happened (Facts not Nigerian Princes) to bring Ebola to Texas would not have happened with flight restrictions (bans) in place.
And, the same heath care system that Miles has so much confidence in regarding their ability to handle domestic cases of Ebola screwed up their first encounter with the disease resulting in many others here in America being needlessly exposed.
Just wait 'til a few thousand soldiers come home from those cesspools.
Yep, the military's modus operandi for dealing with dangerous stuff overseas like neurotoxins is to order a bunch of grunts to dig a hole and burn the stuff while standing around and breathing in the fumes.
What you are too busy parroting misinformation to be able to grasp is that we needn't reach for comparisons nor create hypothetical scenarios. We have a factual Ebola case / outbreak in Texas and we know how it got there.
And we will have more and more of that happening until we fix the problem.
Originally Posted by Rovering
A person with Ebola boarded an ordinary scheduled airline flight or sequence of flights from the known Ebola epidemic country of Liberia to Texas, where the person became both symptomatic and contagious exposing Americans to Ebola.
If those ordinary scheduled airline flight or sequence of flights had been banned by TFR, as some in aviation have been calling for, that person would not now be in America having exposed Americans to Ebola. Simple, known, concrete facts.
You have as yet failed to show so much as a single example of your proposal having stopped a single disease anywhere at any time.
Originally Posted by Rovering
You can spin your fantasy that some Nigerian Prince with his own Gulfstream would have eventually got Ebola, shanghaied a crew from Hong Kong, and flew under ATC radar in radio and transponder silence to Juarez then sneaked across the border all before dieing to still expose Americans to Ebola; but that isn't what has actually happened.
What has actually happened (Facts not Nigerian Princes) to bring Ebola to Texas would not have happened with flight restrictions (bans) in place.
You have still failed to show how any disease at any time has been stopped anywhere at any time with this by securing by your idea.
Cocakamamie as you are you have got to be capable of realizing you don't know what you're talking about because no on has ever done this anywhere at any time. Put up or shut up. produce an example of a disease kept out by travel blockade.
And, the same heath care system that Miles has so much confidence in regarding their ability to handle domestic cases of Ebola screwed up their first encounter with the disease resulting in many others here in America being needlessly exposed.
This argument that if you can't stop 100% of Ebola victims from coming here means that you don't take steps to stop 90% or more is completely absurd.
Hey, Miles, please take note that I resisted calling you an idiot even though you are incapable of extending a similar courtesy.
They did what they have been trained to do and they continue to do so. This response is a perfect example of why this fire needs to be put out over there as soon as possible and how we will benefit.
Fearmongers like Rick don't get that it's going to add similar cost all up and down the line to screen everyone every time someone presents with symptoms that could be Ebola.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Screen every feverish patient for Ebola and trace all of his/her contacts for the past two weeks and quarantine/monitor them? Where is that money going to come from? How many people will be shunted into that rat hole while the system proves they aren't Ebola?
it's tiresome hearing the same advocates for 'calm and trust the government' bleating the same old same old, day after day. Keeping ANYONE from those infected African countries out of AMERICA, is paramount. If we must let them in, then every traveler should be forced to to a month of quarantine, before being let loose on the folks here. This infected POS in Dallas is a prime example. He has evidently infected others as well. It's costing millions of dollars to back track his every contact now. Cheaper, and more effective, to keep he and others like him out of America. I fear hussein has condemned a lot of our service men and women to death, by sending them into those chit holes.
Fearmongers like Rick don't get that it's going to add similar cost all up and down the line to screen everyone every time someone presents with symptoms that could be Ebola.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Screen every feverish patient for Ebola and trace all of his/her contacts for the past two weeks and quarantine/monitor them? Where is that money going to come from? How many people will be shunted into that rat hole while the system proves they aren't Ebola?
How [bleep] stupid is that idea?
Just another one of your straw man arguments, Miles. Tell me, rocket scientist, how much would it cost just to restrict, screen or quarantine/monitor people coming here directly from the hot zones in Africa, like the infected guy in Dallas.
Once again, your argument that if you can't keep out everybody who may be infected you shouldn't keep anyone out is just absurd on its face. Call that fear mongering if you want, but it doesn't make you right.
Fearmongers like Rick don't get that it's going to add similar cost all up and down the line to screen everyone every time someone presents with symptoms that could be Ebola.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Screen every feverish patient for Ebola and trace all of his/her contacts for the past two weeks and quarantine/monitor them? Where is that money going to come from? How many people will be shunted into that rat hole while the system proves they aren't Ebola?
How [bleep] stupid is that idea?
Just another one of your straw man arguments, Miles. Tell me, rocket scientist, how much would it cost just to restrict, screen or quarantine/monitor people coming here directly from the hot zones in Africa, like the infected guy in Dallas.
Once again, your argument that if you can't keep out everybody who may be infected you shouldn't keep anyone out is just absurd on its face. Call that fear mongering if you want, but it doesn't make you right.
and once again, what about the phuggers that fly elsewhere first and the people they come in contact that comes here.....it aint a linear equation, it an exponential one that goes up VERY phuggin fast....what you guys keep forgetting is WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH PEOPLE, we are dealing with an infectious disease thats spread through touch.....the initial person is far from the only phugger you have to worry about....
A serious student of the "Armchair Safari" always looking for Africa/Asia hunting books
I've been hearing about a book written by Robert Preston in 1989 called The Hot Zone.
its a non fiction book about ebola and the Reston Virus that was killing monkeys at a CDC holding facility
Stephen King said it scared the [bleep] out of him.
The Hot Zone by Richard Preston
The bestselling landmark account of the first emergence of the Ebola virus. A highly infectious, deadly virus from the central African rain forest suddenly appears in the suburbs of Washington, D.C. There is no cure. In a few days 90 percent of its victims are dead. A secret military SWAT team of soldiers and scientists is mobilized to stop the outbreak of this exotic "hot" virus. The Hot Zone tells this dramatic story, giving a hair-raising account of the appearance of rare and lethal viruses and their "crashes" into the human race. Shocking, frightening, and impossible to ignore, The Hot Zone proves that truth really is scarier than fiction.
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have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings
I've been hearing about a book written by Robert Preston in 1989 called The Hot Zone.
its a non fiction book about ebola and the Reston Virus that was killing monkeys at a CDC holding facility
Stephen King said it scared the [bleep] out of him.
The Hot Zone by Richard Preston
The bestselling landmark account of the first emergence of the Ebola virus. A highly infectious, deadly virus from the central African rain forest suddenly appears in the suburbs of Washington, D.C. There is no cure. In a few days 90 percent of its victims are dead. A secret military SWAT team of soldiers and scientists is mobilized to stop the outbreak of this exotic "hot" virus. The Hot Zone tells this dramatic story, giving a hair-raising account of the appearance of rare and lethal viruses and their "crashes" into the human race. Shocking, frightening, and impossible to ignore, The Hot Zone proves that truth really is scarier than fiction.
DONT PHUGGIN read that book if you havent, Preston is a fiction writer that didnt leave his desk....he is a huge reason the average person has a phugged up understanding of ebola cause he inserted a hell of alot of fiction in his description of how the virus works....
A serious student of the "Armchair Safari" always looking for Africa/Asia hunting books
if you want to read about these types of diseases including ebola read 'Spillover' by David Quammen instead, he actually spent alot of time in the field with researchers......it will still scare the piss out of you but based on fact....
A serious student of the "Armchair Safari" always looking for Africa/Asia hunting books
Health officials are closely monitoring a possible second Ebola patient who had close contact with the first person to be diagnosed in the U.S., the director of Dallas County's health department said Wednesday.
All who have been in close contact with the man officially diagnosed are being monitored as a precaution, Zachary Thompson, director of Dallas County Health and Human Services, said in a morning interview with WFAA-TV, Dallas-Fort Worth.
"Let me be real frank to the Dallas County residents: The fact that we have one confirmed case, there may be another case that is a close associate with this particular patient," he said. "So this is real. There should be a concern, but it's contained to the specific family members and close friends at this moment."
have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings
I think I may have figured out about zombies! The start in America is intentional and people will line up to be vaccinated. Unfortunately, the populace will get infected, but the vaccination, won't fully stop it. It'll allow the dead, to still be alive, so to speak. Ebola would have killed them, but the vaccine, brought them back!!
Fearmongers like Rick don't get that it's going to add similar cost all up and down the line to screen everyone every time someone presents with symptoms that could be Ebola.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Screen every feverish patient for Ebola and trace all of his/her contacts for the past two weeks and quarantine/monitor them? Where is that money going to come from? How many people will be shunted into that rat hole while the system proves they aren't Ebola?
How [bleep] stupid is that idea?
Just another one of your straw man arguments, Miles. Tell me, rocket scientist, how much would it cost just to restrict, screen or quarantine/monitor people coming here directly from the hot zones in Africa, like the infected guy in Dallas.
Once again, your argument that if you can't keep out everybody who may be infected you shouldn't keep anyone out is just absurd on its face. Call that fear mongering if you want, but it doesn't make you right.
where's the beef? Show me the frst case to support your argument.
it's tiresome hearing the same advocates for 'calm and trust the government' bleating the same old same old, day after day. Keeping ANYONE from those infected African countries out of AMERICA, is paramount. If we must let them in, then every traveler should be forced to to a month of quarantine, before being let loose on the folks here. This infected POS in Dallas is a prime example. He has evidently infected others as well. It's costing millions of dollars to back track his every contact now. Cheaper, and more effective, to keep he and others like him out of America. I fear hussein has condemned a lot of our service men and women to death, by sending them into those chit holes.
You and Rick can hunker down and barrcade the door and see if he can save you.
What you are too busy parroting misinformation to be able to grasp is that we needn't reach for comparisons nor create hypothetical scenarios. We have a factual Ebola case / outbreak in Texas and we know how it got there.
And we will have more and more of that happening until we fix the problem.
Originally Posted by Rovering
A person with Ebola boarded an ordinary scheduled airline flight or sequence of flights from the known Ebola epidemic country of Liberia to Texas, where the person became both symptomatic and contagious exposing Americans to Ebola.
If those ordinary scheduled airline flight or sequence of flights had been banned by TFR, as some in aviation have been calling for, that person would not now be in America having exposed Americans to Ebola. Simple, known, concrete facts.
You have as yet failed to show so much as a single example of your proposal having stopped a single disease anywhere at any time.
Originally Posted by Rovering
You can spin your fantasy that some Nigerian Prince with his own Gulfstream would have eventually got Ebola, shanghaied a crew from Hong Kong, and flew under ATC radar in radio and transponder silence to Juarez then sneaked across the border all before dieing to still expose Americans to Ebola; but that isn't what has actually happened.
What has actually happened (Facts not Nigerian Princes) to bring Ebola to Texas would not have happened with flight restrictions (bans) in place.
You have still failed to show how any disease at any time has been stopped anywhere at any time with this by securing by your idea.
Cocakamamie as you are you have got to be capable of realizing you don't know what you're talking about because no on has ever done this anywhere at any time. Put up or shut up. produce an example of a disease kept out by travel blockade.
Yes, I have shown that this precise actual Ebola outbreak in Texas would have been absolutely prevented by a ban of air travel from Liberia and other Ebola epidemic countries.
While you swoon to your fantasies of fugitive Nigerian princes in stealth private business jets and parrot misinformation;
some of us are serious enough to be concerned with the actual facts on airports around the world and on the, now, ground zero hot zone of Texas.
This Ebola outbreak will be stopped like every prior Ebola outbreak.
The infection in Texas will be stopped the same way. People will do their job and they will put out the fire. People peeing down their legs will contribute nothing more than a wet spot.
it's tiresome hearing the same advocates for 'calm and trust the government' bleating the same old same old, day after day. Keeping ANYONE from those infected African countries out of AMERICA, is paramount. If we must let them in, then every traveler should be forced to to a month of quarantine, before being let loose on the folks here. This infected POS in Dallas is a prime example. He has evidently infected others as well. It's costing millions of dollars to back track his every contact now. Cheaper, and more effective, to keep he and others like him out of America. I fear hussein has condemned a lot of our service men and women to death, by sending them into those chit holes.
You and Rick can hunker down and barrcade the door and see if he can save you.
chill out Miles, no one is making fun of you. Not like you make fun of everyone else.
Yup. No need to panic. Stress will kill a whole lot more people in this country in the coming years than ebola will.
I am sure the people that shared flights and came into contact with this guy share your your sense of calm.
Some will, some won't. Unfortunately, humans are lousy at risk assessment and emotions often trump rational thought.
CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people. The flu is much more contagious. It's contagious before, during and after symptoms develop. The flu will kill many more people on this continent in the foreseeable future, but what are people panicking about? Ebola.
It may not just be Texas. The Nurses Union out of Miami has leaked there's a patient there that may have been infected. They put out the leak based on whether or not people working in the hospitals were aware of safety issues concerning the disease.
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CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people.
Deaths caused by flu are comprised mostly of old, and very sick people who can't fight any ailment in their frail condition. The number of deaths to the number who contract the flu any modern year is very small. That same number for Ebola is very high as it kills the young and strong with "boring" regularity. To equate the flu to Ebola is far from rational.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people.
Deaths caused by flu are comprised mostly of old, and very sick people who can't fight any ailment in their frail condition. The number of deaths to the number who contract the flu any modern year is very small. That same number for Ebola is very high as it kills the young and strong with "boring" regularity. To equate the flu to Ebola is far from rational.
Yup. No need to panic. Stress will kill a whole lot more people in this country in the coming years than ebola will.
I am sure the people that shared flights and came into contact with this guy share your your sense of calm.
Some will, some won't. Unfortunately, humans are lousy at risk assessment and emotions often trump rational thought.
CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people. The flu is much more contagious. It's contagious before, during and after symptoms develop. The flu will kill many more people on this continent in the foreseeable future, but what are people panicking about? Ebola.
Because these deflections, like yours, about other risks are irrelevant red herrings.
The challenge was how to prevent Ebola from coming to America. None of the experts and pols listened to the people, only offering these deflections and appeals to their authority and expertise. The experts failed! Ebola is here!
Now facing the challenge of stopping Ebola from spreading all that the already failed experts and pols have are more of these deflections and appeals to their authority and expertise.
Yes, the flu is here and will kill its share as always, but now Ebola is also here to kill its share.
CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people.
Deaths caused by flu are comprised mostly of old, and very sick people who can't fight any ailment in their frail condition. The number of deaths to the number who contract the flu any modern year is very small. That same number for Ebola is very high as it kills the young and strong with "boring" regularity. To equate the flu to Ebola is far from rational.
Plane crashes are more deadly than car crashes per event, but the chance of being involved in a fatal car crash is much higher.
The influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more people than the Great War, known today as World War I (WWI), at somewhere between 20 and 40 million people... The flu was most deadly for people ages 20 to 40. This pattern of morbidity was unusual for influenza which is usually a killer of the elderly and young children. It infected 28% of all Americans (Tice). An estimated 675,000 Americans died of influenza during the pandemic,
I think it's unfortunate if young children or elderly people die from a disease, regardless.
Yup. No need to panic. Stress will kill a whole lot more people in this country in the coming years than ebola will.
I am sure the people that shared flights and came into contact with this guy share your your sense of calm.
Some will, some won't. Unfortunately, humans are lousy at risk assessment and emotions often trump rational thought.
CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people. The flu is much more contagious. It's contagious before, during and after symptoms develop. The flu will kill many more people on this continent in the foreseeable future, but what are people panicking about? Ebola.
It's been a long time since the flu killed off tons of healthy, young people. Ebola, on the other hand, has a mortality rate of around 90% regardless of the health of the person getting it.
Cluck, Cluck, Cluck......SWUACK! !! I've known about ebola since the 80's, I know a little about it. Its passed by more than just bodily fluids. A cough, a sneeze, sweat that runs thru the eyes and innocently wiped with your hand or forearm, fluid from the eyes, say from crying, not washing your hands after going to the bath room, etc. How many times when shaking it does a drop fling and get on your hand? A virus doesn't immediately die when exposed to the outside air. Why else do they scrub with bleach?
Say what you want, think what you want. I for one, can see what's coming. Incubation is short, where many won't see the symptoms as much more than a cold or flu.
Hopefully it'll run rampant in population centers and not spread to rural areas. A good cleansing of the hood rat population can't be a bad thing.
Ill shut up for now, and just sit back and watch and listen. Time will tell. I wish us all the best.
Yup. No need to panic. Stress will kill a whole lot more people in this country in the coming years than ebola will.
I am sure the people that shared flights and came into contact with this guy share your your sense of calm.
Some will, some won't. Unfortunately, humans are lousy at risk assessment and emotions often trump rational thought.
CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people. The flu is much more contagious. It's contagious before, during and after symptoms develop. The flu will kill many more people on this continent in the foreseeable future, but what are people panicking about? Ebola.
It's been a long time since the flu killed off tons of healthy, young people. Ebola, on the other hand, has a mortality rate of around 90% regardless of the health of the person getting it.
Apples, meet the oranges.....
To calculate the burden of 2009 pandemic influenza A (pH1N1) in the United States, we extrapolated from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Emerging Infections Program laboratory-confirmed hospitalizations across the entire United States, and then corrected for underreporting. From 12 April 2009 to 10 April 2010, we estimate that approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1. Eighty-seven percent of deaths occurred in those under 65 years of age with children and working adults having risks of hospitalization and death 4 to 7 times and 8 to 12 times greater, respectively, than estimates of impact due to seasonal influenza covering the years 1976-2001. In our study, adults 65 years of age or older were found to have rates of hospitalization and death that were up to 75% and 81%, respectively, lower than seasonal influenza.
Deaths 0-17 years ~1,270 ~900 to ~1,870 18-64 years ~9,420 ~6,700 to ~13,860 65 years and older ~1,580 ~1,120 to ~2,320
He knew he had been directly exposed to the virus in Africa. He knew he had a very HIGH chance of catching it (carrying around the dying patients in his homeland). He knew that he would get free health care here. He had to have lied on his air travel questionaire to get on the US flights.
He knew what he was doing all along. Tip of the iceberg, unless they prosecute him very quickly.
Cluck, Cluck, Cluck......SWUACK! !! I've known about ebola since the 80's, I know a little about it. Its passed by more than just bodily fluids. A cough, a sneeze, sweat that runs thru the eyes and innocently wiped with your hand or forearm, fluid from the eyes, say from crying, not washing your hands after going to the bath room, etc. How many times when shaking it does a drop fling and get on your hand? A virus doesn't immediately die when exposed to the outside air. Why else do they scrub with bleach?
Say what you want, think what you want. I for one, can see what's coming. Incubation is short, where many won't see the symptoms as much more than a cold or flu.
Hopefully it'll run rampant in population centers and not spread to rural areas. A good cleansing of the hood rat population can't be a bad thing.
Ill shut up for now, and just sit back and watch and listen. Time will tell. I wish us all the best.
If it gets crazy the Rez will just have to shut down borders.
And anymore even 'rural' areas in the lower 48 are fairly 'busy'. You'd simply have to go way out in the hills to avoid travelors. That or shut down planes and trains.
All those Texans flying back and forth to the nearby Bakken oilfield will probably bring it here.
He knew he had been directly exposed to the virus in Africa. He knew he had a very HIGH chance of catching it (carrying around the dying patients in his homeland). He knew that he would get free health care here. He had to have lied on his air travel questionaire to get on the US flights.
He knew what he was doing all along. Tip of the iceberg, unless they prosecute him very quickly.
A bullet in the head and quick trip to the hospital incinerator would serve better.
I also saw where his family that was under quarantine tried to leave the house. They had to post police outside the home to make sure they don't leave.
Show me the meat one epidemic stopped at a border.
Couple points come to mind:
Just because an effort is unlikely to have perfect results, doesn't mean you don't make the attempt.
Why there aren't specific restrictions on those traveling through or from any of these 3 or 4 countries that currently are HOT is beyond me. Anyone that has one of these countries stamped on their passport needs to have special screening. Kind of like any traveler that currently travels to the US from Syria or Pakistan or shows on their passport to have traveled to one of these countries. But in this instance, people who have been in the HOT zone should be screened medically and profiled for their potential to be a vector.
Why we are providing any visas to anyone who is from the HOT zone is beyond me. Why we aren't restricting travel to the HOT zone for any US citizens except for medical personnel is also beyond me. If US citizens want to travel there, no problem, but they should be forced to quarantine themselves 3 weeks prior to their return.
As to your question Miles, the BSE epidemic that took place in Canada, Great Britain and the FMD epidemic that occurred in Europe and various countries in South America was mostly stopped in its tracks by severe travel restrictions.
Granted, these are an animal diseases, but that is the interesting thing. Our country attacked these problems more aggressively with regards to restrictions of cattle movement and movement of people as vectors than they are this outbreak of Ebola.
If you had traveled to a HOT zone during the BSE and FMD outbreaks, you were screened at multiple levels, required to answer direct questioning multiple times, forced to discard gear that could potentially be a carrying a vector, forced to wash and clean your shoes and other gear under the watchful eye of customs agents. Make sure you weren't transporting any meat product etc.
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Show me the meat one epidemic stopped at a border.
Couple points come to mind:
Just because an effort is unlikely to have perfect results, doesn't mean you don't make the attempt.
Why there aren't specific restrictions on those traveling through or from any of these 3 or 4 countries that currently are HOT is beyond me. Anyone that has one of these countries stamped on their passport needs to have special screening. Kind of like any traveler that currently travels to the US from Syria or Pakistan or shows on their passport to have traveled to one of these countries. But in this instance, people who have been in the HOT zone should be screened medically and profiled for their potential to be a vector.
Why we are providing any visas to anyone who is from the HOT zone is beyond me. Why we aren't restricting travel to the HOT zone for any US citizens except for medical personnel is also beyond me. If US citizens want to travel there, no problem, but they should be forced to quarantine themselves 3 weeks prior to their return.
As to your question Miles, the BSE epidemic that took place in Canada, Great Britain and various countries in South America was mostly stopped in its tracks by severe travel restrictions.
Granted, this is an animal disease, but that is the interesting thing. Our country attacked that problem more aggressively with regards to restrictions of cattle movement and movement of people than they are this outbreak of Ebola.
If you had traveled to a HOT zone during the BSE outbreak, you were screened at multiple levels, required to answer direct questioning multiple times, forced to discard gear that could potentially be a vector, forced to wash and clean your shoes and other gear under the watchful eye of customs agents.
This is why it's hard to keep a straight face when discussing something like Ebola with people who have no idea what they are talking about.
BSE is not transmissible in the normal sense of infectious disease. Prevent the ingestion of the prions whether in fecal matter or in processed feed and there is no transmission. That's why it is so effectively controlled without medication or vaccination.
BSE is transmitted by feeding animals (cows) "parts" from other animals rendered at temperatures inadequate to killing the prions that cause BSE. First, feeding cows other animal "parts" is just more than a little aberrant and asking for trouble. Second, feeding them sheep by products (parts) is begging trouble. Scrapie is the sheep version of BSE. Scrapie is not a new disease. Scrapie is near impossible to eliminate as we've found out in our wild cervids.
Lastly, BSE was not stopped by quarantine. It did make it to Europe and it did manage to infect people there. Granted, the people ate beef from the UK. But it was not stopped by barricade. It made it to Canada and the US. I do not know if the source was ever proven in US cattle to be traceable directly back to UK, but it matters not for this discussion since it did not get stopped in England and did make it to Canada and to Europe and a few other places if I remember right.
Ebola quite possibly could be prevented as effectively as BSE if as we suspect it is initially acquired by eating a carrier host species. BUT...once Ebola DISEASE is acquired by a human it becomes contagious to humans and some other primates who make the connection between body fluids of the infected human and ingestion/mucosal/blood contact to themselves.
I would very strongly suspect Ebola is transmissible well before a person becomes symptomatic, contrary to what CDC/WHO is saying though. I would surprise me greatly that it was not transmissible earlier in precisely the same way HIV is transmitted. It seems to be pretty clear that casual contact is sufficient for transmission which would indicate a low viral particle count is all it takes. That Ebola can incubate in as little as two days and produce severe illness in that time, is compelling argument that longer incubation would produce virus particles in blood and semen like with HIV and when combined with a low count needed to infect, that it probably would do so.
The evidence of HIV like transmission would be less obvious since Ebola produces severe illness and kills so quickly, and just physical contact is all it requires once symptoms begin. This is something that we'll probably learn out of this epidemic and that will just fall into the "yeah, that makes sense" category.
The news from this morning suggests that just taking a picture of someone with Ebola gets you there. I'm being sarcastic but yeah, I think we will find out that transmission is easier than has been said - and that's very bad news.
It doesn't stop at just contact or proximity to the person. It's what they've been in contact with such as clothing, sheets and so on. I agree with the comment early that such things should be immediately incinerated. This should be standard protocol for all proven cases. This includes any sort of non-hard surface furniture. A metal chair can be disinfected but anything with a cloth cushion is not worth the trouble it would take to disinfect it. I'd be burning the beds as well. Sweat soaks through sheets, as does any body fluid. Now is the time to move to serious protocols like this.
The news from this morning suggests that just taking a picture of someone with Ebola gets you there. I'm being sarcastic but yeah, I think we will find out that transmission is easier than has been said - and that's very bad news.
It doesn't stop at just contact or proximity to the person. It's what they've been in contact with such as clothing, sheets and so on. I agree with the comment early that such things should be immediately incinerated. This should be standard protocol for all proven cases. This includes any sort of non-hard surface furniture. A metal chair can be disinfected but anything with a cloth cushion is not worth the trouble it would take to disinfect it. I'd be burning the beds as well. Sweat soaks through sheets, as does any body fluid. Now is the time to move to serious protocols like this.
Ever heard of doing laundry with bleach? Putting soiled bed linens in a dryer for and extra cycle without washing first with bleach likely would kill any virus on them.
I also saw where his family that was under quarantine tried to leave the house. They had to post police outside the home to make sure they don't leave.
Could you imagine being the cop tasked with that job? What if they (the family)[i]realize they have it too and have nothing to gain by obeying orders?
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He knew he had been directly exposed to the virus in Africa. He knew he had a very HIGH chance of catching it (carrying around the dying patients in his homeland). He knew that he would get free health care here. He had to have lied on his air travel questionaire to get on the US flights.
He knew what he was doing all along. Tip of the iceberg, unless they prosecute him very quickly.
Needs to be charged and prosecuted immediately. He lied to leave Liberia, so he could be treated in US.
What part of Obamacare covers this non citizen black prick? Maybe Pelosi can answer that now that it has been passed she can find out what's in it.
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Can not fix any of the problems as long as the POS is in power. The POS must be removed before we can start reversing the damage caused to this great nation. I am afraid a lot of people must die to fix the problems we have.
He knew he had been directly exposed to the virus in Africa. He knew he had a very HIGH chance of catching it (carrying around the dying patients in his homeland). He knew that he would get free health care here. He had to have lied on his air travel questionaire to get on the US flights.
He knew what he was doing all along. Tip of the iceberg, unless they prosecute him very quickly.
Needs to be charged and prosecuted immediately. He lied to leave Liberia, so he could be treated in US.
What part of Obamacare covers this non citizen black prick? Maybe Pelosi can answer that now that it has been passed she can find out what's in it.
If the pre trip exposure is as has been posted, that he had direct and substantial contact with someone he knew was infected, then he can and should be prosecuted.
Aside from his temperature being taken pre boarding, he certainly was asked if he had been in contact with anyone who was sick. Answering yes would have barred boarding the plane. Answering no is a criminal offense and is sufficient for deportation and entry on the no-fly list.
Prosecution would make it easier for those who may be subsequently infected to sue him as well.
Show me the meat one epidemic stopped at a border.
Couple points come to mind:
Just because an effort is unlikely to have perfect results, doesn't mean you don't make the attempt.
Why there aren't specific restrictions on those traveling through or from any of these 3 or 4 countries that currently are HOT is beyond me. Anyone that has one of these countries stamped on their passport needs to have special screening. Kind of like any traveler that currently travels to the US from Syria or Pakistan or shows on their passport to have traveled to one of these countries. But in this instance, people who have been in the HOT zone should be screened medically and profiled for their potential to be a vector.
Why we are providing any visas to anyone who is from the HOT zone is beyond me. Why we aren't restricting travel to the HOT zone for any US citizens except for medical personnel is also beyond me. If US citizens want to travel there, no problem, but they should be forced to quarantine themselves 3 weeks prior to their return.
As to your question Miles, the BSE epidemic that took place in Canada, Great Britain and various countries in South America was mostly stopped in its tracks by severe travel restrictions.
Granted, this is an animal disease, but that is the interesting thing. Our country attacked that problem more aggressively with regards to restrictions of cattle movement and movement of people than they are this outbreak of Ebola.
If you had traveled to a HOT zone during the BSE outbreak, you were screened at multiple levels, required to answer direct questioning multiple times, forced to discard gear that could potentially be a vector, forced to wash and clean your shoes and other gear under the watchful eye of customs agents.
This is why it's hard to keep a straight face when discussing something like Ebola with people who have no idea what they are talking about.
BSE is not transmissible in the normal sense of infectious disease. Prevent the ingestion of the prions whether in fecal matter or in processed feed and there is no transmission. That's why it is so effectively controlled without medication or vaccination.
BSE is transmitted by feeding animals (cows) "parts" from other animals rendered at temperatures inadequate to killing the prions that cause BSE. First, feeding cows other animal "parts" is just more than a little aberrant and asking for trouble. Second, feeding them sheep by products (parts) is begging trouble. Scrapie is the sheep version of BSE. Scrapie is not a new disease. Scrapie is near impossible to eliminate as we've found out in our wild cervids.
Lastly, BSE was not stopped by quarantine. It did make it to Europe and it did manage to infect people there. Granted, the people ate beef from the UK. But it was not stopped by barricade. It made it to Canada and the US. I do not know if the source was ever proven in US cattle to be traceable directly back to UK, but it matters not for this discussion since it did not get stopped in England and did make it to Canada and to Europe and a few other places if I remember right.
Ebola quite possibly could be prevented as effectively as BSE if as we suspect it is initially acquired by eating a carrier host species. BUT...once Ebola DISEASE is acquired by a human it becomes contagious to humans and some other primates who make the connection between body fluids of the infected human and ingestion/mucosal/blood contact to themselves.
I would very strongly suspect Ebola is transmissible well before a person becomes symptomatic, contrary to what CDC/WHO is saying though. I would surprise me greatly that it was not transmissible earlier in precisely the same way HIV is transmitted. It seems to be pretty clear that casual contact is sufficient for transmission which would indicate a low viral particle count is all it takes. That Ebola can incubate in as little as two days and produce severe illness in that time, is compelling argument that longer incubation would produce virus particles in blood and semen like with HIV and when combined with a low count needed to infect, that it probably would do so.
The evidence of HIV like transmission would be less obvious since Ebola produces severe illness and kills so quickly, and just physical contact is all it requires once symptoms begin. This is something that we'll probably learn out of this epidemic and that will just fall into the "yeah, that makes sense" category.
My we are full of ourselves here aren't we??
Yes I am quite familiar with the transmission of BSE and the fact it is not contagious animal to animal.
Your question was, "Show me the meat one epidemic stopped at a border."
And I did. The epidemic of BSE was mostly stopped at the border by restricting transit of animals and animal products at our border.
My post was a little misleading in that I accidentally edited out my intended reference to FMD as well as BSE before I finished my first post. Both these diseases were stopped by severely restricting transport of animals and potential vectors coming into the United States.
The harsh screening we experienced repeatedly all had the focus of stopping FMD at our border. Was it fullproof? No, but nothing is.
As far as BSE goes, yes we stopped it by stopping the vectors from entering the country, older animals beyond 30 months of age and any byproducts that could contain the prions that could cause BSE.
I too am very wary of the statement that ebola is not transmissible until symptomatic. That makes no sense to me on the surface, but I don't really feel like reading up on the research that is used to support this argument. Suffice to say, based on my understanding of viral infections and their transmissions, I would be very concerned about transmission well before the host was symptomatic.
Yes I am quite familiar with the transmission of BSE and the fact it is not contagious animal to animal.
Your question was, "Show me the meat one epidemic stopped at a border."
And I did. The epidemic of BSE was mostly stopped at the border by restricting transit of animals and animal products at our border.
My post was a little misleading in that I accidentally edited out my intended reference to FMD as well as BSE before I finished my first post. Both these diseases were stopped by severely restricting transport of animals and potential vectors coming into the United States.
The harsh screening we experienced repeatedly all had the focus of stopping FMD at our border. Was it fullproof? No, but nothing is.
As far as BSE goes, yes we stopped it by stopping the vectors from entering the country, older animals beyond 30 months of age and any byproducts that could contain the prions that could cause BSE.
I too am very wary of the statement that ebola is not transmissible until symptomatic. That makes no sense to me on the surface, but I don't really feel like reading up on the research that is used to support this argument. Suffice to say, based on my understanding of viral infections and their transmissions, I would be very concerned about transmission well before the host was symptomatic.
Not full of myself. Just tired of trying to inject a little sense into discussions between fear mongering idiots. Tell me whch border FMD was stopped at. In fact, find me a continent that never had it.
Yes I am quite familiar with the transmission of BSE and the fact it is not contagious animal to animal.
Your question was, "Show me the meat one epidemic stopped at a border."
And I did. The epidemic of BSE was mostly stopped at the border by restricting transit of animals and animal products at our border.
My post was a little misleading in that I accidentally edited out my intended reference to FMD as well as BSE before I finished my first post. Both these diseases were stopped by severely restricting transport of animals and potential vectors coming into the United States.
The harsh screening we experienced repeatedly all had the focus of stopping FMD at our border. Was it fullproof? No, but nothing is.
As far as BSE goes, yes we stopped it by stopping the vectors from entering the country, older animals beyond 30 months of age and any byproducts that could contain the prions that could cause BSE.
I too am very wary of the statement that ebola is not transmissible until symptomatic. That makes no sense to me on the surface, but I don't really feel like reading up on the research that is used to support this argument. Suffice to say, based on my understanding of viral infections and their transmissions, I would be very concerned about transmission well before the host was symptomatic.
Not full of myself. Just tired of trying to inject a little sense into discussions between fear mongering idiots. Tell me whch border FMD was stopped at. In fact, find me a continent that never had it.
You need a better example.
The most recent outbreaks of FMD that occurred in Great Britain and in Paraguay, Argentina etc. did not make it into the US. I have a few friends who had FMD on their ranches and farms in both Argnetina and Great Britan and it is a nasty, extremely infectious. USDA instituted restrictions on travelers coming from these hot areas and they worked.
In general, you are correct, borders are not extremely effective at stopping diseases, but that doesn't mean you don't make an effort and become proactive in trying to minimize the spread and ultimate damage done to our citizens.
... but that doesn't mean you don't make an effort and become proactive in trying to minimize the spread and ultimate damage done to our citizens.
Bingo.
Like you know your ass from a hole in the ground.
It's not like we didn't learn from past experience that this doesn't work and that we have better ways, but that never stopped a xenophobe like TRH from peeing down his leg. Which gets hm a wet leg and nothing else.
If we haven't stopped or wiped out a single human disease at a border to keep doing that experiment over and over in the hope that maybe next time it will work has already been defined.
--------- Howard University Hospital in Washington, D.C. has admitted a patient with possible symptoms of the deadly Ebola virus "in an abundance of caution," it said in a statement on Friday.
The patient, who had recently traveled to Nigeria, is in stable condition and is being treated in isolation, a hospital spokeswoman said, adding that she could not provide additional details about the case because of patient privacy.
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My suspicion about what's going on is that the Obama team has been wanting an excuse for sending tens of billions of dollars of US Tax Payer money to Africa. They think Ebola is their excuse, but know they won't be politically able to do it unless Americans think of Ebola as a problem that threatens themselves here at home. Thus team Obama has so loosened the normal safeguards (such as refusal to bar travel to the US from Ebola hotspots) as to ensure that there will be enough cases in the US that Americans will demand that the government does something. That "something," Americans will be told, can only be to address Ebola at its source (central Africa), and that only by sending tens of billions of dollars there, i.e., "We've got to fight Ebola there so we don't have to fight it here." It's called "Problem/Reaction/Solution."
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