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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Stand by for the train to KOOK-A-MANGA to chime in with a buttload of Harrumphs!


Told ya...


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50 brand new third-world nations sounds like an outstanding idea.


In all seriousness... Why would independence of an individual state result in 3rd world conditions? West VA would be able to start mining again and selling coal again. That would greatly improve the current state of unemployment. Alaska could clean up the ecological nightmare of federal waste/pollution up north that the feds refuse to take responsibiltiy for. Iowa would still grow corn and be able to sell it to anybody they pleased.

None of the people would vanish. None of the recourses would go away. Just the tyranny of a centralized fiat scam system and endless fruitless foreign entanglements that drain our best young men down a sewer of blood.

Do you seriously believe that our centralized federal tyranny is a source of prosperity and civilization?
Not that easy. How many countries would WV and IA have to ship their product through to get it to a seaport How much duty would they charge? How many of the other new countries would underbid them?

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they took Lincoln down with them though


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
Keep reading this part until it makes sense to you.

If it never does, stick a sock in your face and shut the fug up, for cryin' out loud.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it




And to think...all I did was relay the message...and add that I don't think Rand needs to be explaining American secession at this point in his campaign...


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didn't work out too well for Sara


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
Tell me where this starts to get beyond your ability to comprehend.

I'm guessing that you're totally lost just after the word "when".

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,




And to think...all I did was relay the message...and I get a lecture on our Declaration of Independence...from the man who never votes...




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Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
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And to think...all I did was relay the message....




No,....you started a thread that says, "Ron Paul Wants to Leave".

That's a lie.

Remember that the next time you feel compelled to start calling people liars,..as you are wan to do.

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In an essay on his eponymous institution's website Sunday, the former U.S. congressman from Texas wrote that any supporters of freedom should cheer secessionism because it allows for smaller government�a constant mantra for the libertarian and perennial presidential candidate, who didn't previously realize there were more than a handful of secessionist groups in the United States.

"I was real pleased with that, and a bit surprised," Paul told National Journal. "But then, on second thought, you think, 'Why not? Why not more?' "

Fringe groups calling for states and regions to secede from the U.S., such as the Second Vermont Republic and the Alaskan Independence Party, gained more publicity in the weeks leading up to the Scottish referendum.
As the out sized federal government continues to encroach on individual rights, Paul said, he thinks there will be a groundswell of these movements
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"It's something that I think is going to grow, because the failure of the federal government is going to get much worse," he said.

When the bankruptcy evolves, and maybe some of these pension funds are confiscated, and the wars never end, and bankruptcy comes forth, people [will say], 'Hey, we're getting a bad deal from this.
Why don't we leave?'

He added: "I think it's inevitable people wanting to leave will be there, and the numbers will grow."


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Supporting secession isn't the same as "wanting to leave"

You know it.

I know it.

Get the sock.

Insert it in your face.

Liar.

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The two dominant fringe groups in the USA are Republicans and Democrats, lesser ones include Palin Panderers.


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
Supporting secession isn't the same as "wanting to leave"

You know it.

I know it.

Get the sock.

Insert it in your face.

Liar.



Wish I had a dollar for every time I have been beaten severely about the head and shoulders by Ron Paul supporters...for quoting Ron Paul...

So why did Ron use the word �leave� at lease three times in his essay?

�When the bankruptcy evolves, and maybe some of these pension funds are confiscated, and the wars never end, and bankruptcy comes forth, people [will say], 'Hey, we're getting a bad deal from this.
Why don't we leave?'

He added: "I think it's inevitable people wanting to leave will be there, and the numbers will grow."

"I think what is most important is we have a concrete right to secede," Paul said. "Even if we never had any secession, or any state declare independence, we would be so much better off, because there would always be this threat. Once the threat of a state leaving was removed, it was just open-door policy for the federal government to expand itself and run roughshod out over the states because the states couldn't do much."

Maybe this is why he said �leave
Word Origin and History for secede
v. 1702, "to leave one's companions," from Latin secedere "go away, withdraw, separate; rebel, revolt"


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You're only making it worse.

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Riiight...


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Originally Posted by tjm10025

50 brand new third-world nations sounds like an outstanding idea.




I called my old buddy, Putin and he said it was a damn fine idea.

Pretty sure that Hitler would have felt the same way...


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If tiny independent countries were so great, why again did the original 13 band together?


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Because there is indeed strength in numbers.

But they also believed that any powers not specifically given to the Federal government would be retained by the individual states so that more local customs and opinions would be used to govern on local issues.

What we have now is a far, far cry from what those original 13 signed up for.

Hence, many want to disband, regain the power of local governance and perhaps try again.


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Originally Posted by Bluedreaux
If tiny independent countries were so great, why again did the original 13 band together?


You're being paged here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4476578

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Obviously the situation today is different than it was in the late 18th century. We don't have a vast continent populated only by neolithic people who could be (relatively) easily exterminated so we could expand into their territory.

Our natural resources are still vast but not what they once were. People are accustomed to the privileges of a world power and are loathe to give that up, no matter how ruinous it may eventually be.

It's funny how those original 13 states assumed to take their place among the self governing nations of the world even though they knew they were but pipsqueaks compared to the might of the European nations. They knew that if they separated from Great Britain they would be a tiny, independent country. But so great was their thirst for freedom and self determination that they went ahead and did it anyway.

Like any situation, it's not all black or white as so many wish it were - black and white situations are easy to argue against and say "look - one part of your argument is wrong so therefore your ENTIRE argument is wrong".

There would be great difficulties in any union of states smaller than the 48 contiguous we have now. But the fact that so many are seriously considering it is a litmus test in itself of just how badly people chafe under the rule of a far off, indifferent autocracy with an agenda that is often 180 degrees apart from their local needs and wants.


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September 19, 2014 � According to a new poll conducted by Reuters/Ipsos, one in four Americans are open to their home state seceding from the union.

From the article:

�The urge to sever ties with Washington cuts across party lines and regions, though Republicans and residents of rural Western states are generally warmer to the idea than Democrats and Northeasterners, according to the poll.

�Anger with President Barack Obama�s handling of issues ranging from healthcare reform to the rise of Islamic State militants drives some of the feeling, with Republican respondents citing dissatisfaction with his administration as coloring their thinking.�


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