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'I think what is most important is we have a concrete right to secede,' said Ron Paul.
'I think this is the last thing that Rand Paul needs' says Bowsinger


Ron Paul Thinks There Should Be More Secessionist Movements in the U.S.
The former U.S. congressman and perennial presidential candidate tells National Journal that he's "real pleased" with American secessionist groups.
By Rebecca Nelson
September 30, 2014 Secessionists across the world were inspired by Scotland's energetic attempt at independence from the United Kingdom earlier this month. Ron Paul, as it turns out, joined them.

In an essay on his eponymous institution's website Sunday, the former U.S. congressman from Texas wrote that any supporters of freedom should cheer secessionism because it allows for smaller government�a constant mantra for the libertarian and perennial presidential candidate, who didn't previously realize there were more than a handful of secessionist groups in the United States.

"I was real pleased with that, and a bit surprised," Paul told National Journal. "But then, on second thought, you think, 'Why not? Why not more?' "

Fringe groups calling for states and regions to secede from the U.S., such as the Second Vermont Republic and the Alaskan Independence Party, gained more publicity in the weeks leading up to the Scottish referendum. As the out sized federal government continues to encroach on individual rights, Paul said, he thinks there will be a groundswell of these movements.

"It's something that I think is going to grow, because the failure of the federal government is going to get much worse," he said. "When the bankruptcy evolves, and maybe some of these pension funds are confiscated, and the wars never end, and bankruptcy comes forth, people [will say], 'Hey, we're getting a bad deal from this. Why don't we leave?' "

He added: "I think it's inevitable people wanting to leave will be there, and the numbers will grow."

Realistically, though, Paul said he doesn't think any of these groups could actually succeed. Despite the founders' own deep belief in secession�they gained America's independence from Europe, after all�he said the Civil War set the precedent that secession would carry "very, very bad" results.

"By our history, the heavy hand of the federal government would come down," Paul told National Journal. "They'd probably shoot 'em."

In typical fashion, Paul argued that the principle of secession was more important than what could actually happen in reality. It's the threat, he said, that's important to keep the federal government in check.

"I think what is most important is we have a concrete right to secede," Paul said. "Even if we never had any secession, or any state declare independence, we would be so much better off, because there would always be this threat. Once the threat of a state leaving was removed, it was just open-door policy for the federal government to expand itself and run roughshod out over the states because the states couldn't do much."

Given that his son, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., will likely run for president in 2016 with a much better chance of winning than his father ever had, the elder Paul's willingness to share his reasonably radical views seem imprudent, if not unexpected. In an election cycle that has often equated the politics of Ron and Rand, this latest remark is sure to annoy the potential 2016-er's supporters.

For Rand's sake, it's fortunate that Ron didn't express his support for the Texas Nationalist Movement or any other secessionist groups in the U.S. Before he'd back Texan independence, he joked, "I better check out and see who's running Austin before we decide about that."


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so you have a problem with folks supporting state independence eh?


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Stand by for the train to KOOK-A-MANGA to chime in with a buttload of Harrumphs!


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Harumph indeed!

Interposition
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Secession

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This is American resistance to tyranny by the book, Jefferson, Madison, Henry, Adams, the Declaration of Independence, Federalist Papers, Virginia and Kentucky Resolves, Locke, Milton, Sydney, Blackstone, The Huguenots, The Covenanters, Puritans.

A untion of states "pinned together by bayonets" was abhorred even by Yankees at one time.

Ron Paul gets a lot of the theory correct at times. What can actually be accomplished is another story altogether; and I think even Ron Paul admits that openly.

Let us suppose that Rand Paul were to actually get elected President. What could he actually accomplish? When you consider this next upcoming generation is wed to it's idols? He would be very popular in the south but any serious reform would be met with cries of secession from New York City and Boston.

We are a divided people; bitterly divided, but those noble values that motivate southerners are even being expunged from the south via the public schools and media etc.

Doom.

Gloom.


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I'm not sure its a good idea. California, minnesota and new york would immediately join the soviet union.


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Tell me where this starts to get beyond your ability to comprehend.

I'm guessing that you're totally lost just after the word "when".

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,

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Keep reading this part until it makes sense to you.

If it never does, stick a sock in your face and shut the fug up, for cryin' out loud.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it

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Secession is the only answer. Federalism can't be fixed.


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50 brand new third-world nations sounds like an outstanding idea.

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Despite the founders' own deep belief in secession�they gained America's independence from Europe, after all�he said the Civil War set the precedent that secession would carry "very, very bad" results.



Hey, why not free the slaves from the democrats, and we'll have the moral high ground laugh


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Originally Posted by tjm10025

50 brand new third-world nations sounds like an outstanding idea.


You can find lots of support for your big government ideology at Democratic Underground.

It's plumb fulla commies.

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Despite the founders' own deep belief in secession�they gained America's independence from Europe, after all�he said the Civil War set the precedent that secession would carry "very, very bad" results.



Hey, why not free the slaves from the democrats, and we'll have the moral high ground laugh


Ain't that the truth.


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Originally Posted by tjm10025

50 brand new third-world nations sounds like an outstanding idea.


In all seriousness... Why would independence of an individual state result in 3rd world conditions? West VA would be able to start mining again and selling coal again. That would greatly improve the current state of unemployment. Alaska could clean up the ecological nightmare of federal waste/pollution up north that the feds refuse to take responsibiltiy for. Iowa would still grow corn and be able to sell it to anybody they pleased.

None of the people would vanish. None of the recourses would go away. Just the tyranny of a centralized fiat scam system and endless fruitless foreign entanglements that drain our best young men down a sewer of blood.

Do you seriously believe that our centralized federal tyranny is a source of prosperity and civilization?


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Originally Posted by watch4bear
I'm not sure its a good idea. California, minnesota and new york would immediately join the soviet union.


HA!!!!!!!

Got me laughing out loud on that one!


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Originally Posted by watch4bear
I'm not sure its a good idea. California, minnesota and new york would immediately join the soviet union.
And that's not a good idea, how?


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Originally Posted by watch4bear
I'm not sure its a good idea. California, minnesota and new york would immediately join the soviet union.
And that's not a good idea, how?


HA!

Come to think of it... seems like they already joined! If we all broke up we could declare war on them and get it over with! LOL


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Originally Posted by Robert_White
Originally Posted by tjm10025

50 brand new third-world nations sounds like an outstanding idea.


In all seriousness... Why would independence of an individual state result in 3rd world conditions? West VA would be able to start mining again and selling coal again. That would greatly improve the current state of unemployment. Alaska could clean up the ecological nightmare of federal waste/pollution up north that the feds refuse to take responsibiltiy for. Iowa would still grow corn and be able to sell it to anybody they pleased.

None of the people would vanish. None of the recourses would go away. Just the tyranny of a centralized fiat scam system and endless fruitless foreign entanglements that drain our best young men down a sewer of blood.

Do you seriously believe that our centralized federal tyranny is a source of prosperity and civilization?


And in all likely hood states would form regional confederacies and do quite well.


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Absolutely.


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Originally Posted by watch4bear
I'm not sure its a good idea. California, minnesota and new york would immediately join the soviet union.
laugh laugh laugh

True, dat....


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