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This is something that has been cooking for several weeks now.
How far can you shoot a 357 Magnum Revolver (not a singleshot), use all six cylinders, and still group 10-12 inches?
I'm talking about a group on a steel target.
What do you think?
Or even better what have you accomplished?


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I haven't tried it much past 100, but I'd think it ought to be doable at that distance for me.

I'd only use one cylinder though. wink


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100 yards for sure, offhand with either a 6" GP-100 or a 6 1/2" Blackhawk.

I have a 12x12" steel target that I'll set out at 100 yards and hit it 6 out of 6 with a group around 6 to 8", maybe less on a very calm day. That's very repeatable - I once shot all 50 rounds from a box of handloads at it and missed the target once.

Not sure I could hit just any old target that far as the square steel has an advantage to it. You can line up the front blade with the very top of the square and centered horizontally and that gives a nice repeatable sight picture.

Taking it out to 200 yards things get a bit dicier as you have to either raise the front sight in relation to the rear blade or find an aiming point above the target. If you can find a good aiming point - rock, clump of grass or something - just the right distance above the target you can lay 4 or 5 out of 6 into it pretty consistently, but to do that I have to go to a braced kneeling position.

With a tall target like a welding oxygen tank where you can aim near the top and bullet drop still allows a hit 3-5 out of 6 is certainly doable offhand - that's a repeatable percentage. Once in a great while you can get 6 out of 6 but not all the time unless you shoot off of bags which takes all the fun out of it. Wind becomes your enemy at that range, not trajectory. They used to have such tanks out at our range, actual distance was about 220 yards, and now and then I'd show off by making them ring pretty regularly.

That's kind of fun. One calm day I was hitting those 220 yard tanks very consistently, like 4 out of 6, with a little 4" J-frame Smith Model 34 .22. Sight alignment is the crucial factor with trigger control next, after that it's just repeating the same sight picture.


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Originally Posted by xphunter
This is something that has been cooking for several weeks now.
How far can you shoot a 357 Magnum Revolver (not a singleshot), use all six cylinders, and still group 10-12 inches?
I'm talking about a group on a steel target.
What do you think?
Or even better what have you accomplished?



A good shooter with a scope should be able to do that to at least 5 or 6 hundred yards.



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I saw what you did there....
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If that is the way you like to roll, by all means, keep pouring it to it.


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500 yards is my personal goal.
Anything else is just gravy.


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180 grain Speer flatnose rifle bullet over 15 grains of 296 in Winchester nickel cases grouped into 6 inches @ 200 yards out of my Python.

This is a very weird looking finished round as the ogive of the seated bullet is down past the case mouth.

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I'd only use one cylinder though. wink
Yeah, changing out those cylinders six times would be quite inconvenient. grin

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I know I can make that requirement at 100. I haven't tried beyond that, but I believe with a bit of practice I could manage it at 200.


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Well I saw a guy at the range shooting an old style S&W with an 8 3/4" barrel using a pistol bi-pod with a scope who could do better than 10-12" at a hundred yards. More like 3" and under and he said he could do that or under at 150 yards. He said it is his favorite deer getter.

I have no experience one way or the other.


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50 yards would have to be my limit. Haven't tried any further because beyond 50 I've got better tools for the job. Someday though, I'm gonna play around at 100 with both 357's; a Blackhawk and a S&W 686 just for grins and experience.

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I know the shape is not to specs but I can do 6 on a pepper popper at 100 fairly routinely. I find my shots tend to vary more vertically than horizontally at distance so the pepper popper is probably easier than the standard you set in the OP.

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200 yards for certain. Lots of guys could do so offhand at IHMSA silhouette shoots. They certainly could have done better with a solid rest.


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I will be shooting prone, seated with a tri-pod field rest (Bog-Gear), and or from the bench.
Also, I will be using a scope.
My eyes can't do irons at hat kind of distance and be precise.


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Originally Posted by xphunter
This is something that has been cooking for several weeks now.
How far can you shoot a 357 Magnum Revolver (not a singleshot), use all six cylinders, and still group 10-12 inches?
I'm talking about a group on a steel target.
What do you think?
Or even better what have you accomplished?


I have never played with 357's much but I will guess... 400yds. for that size group. Assuming some 170gr or more keith style bullets.

I knocked a turkey silhouette down @ 240yds with a 4" 29 yesterday. That was off hand with a spotter. 1st shot high, second show low, third shot "diiing."

Now since you've contemplated this, and obviously have some time behind a handgun, what is your goal/guess?



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Originally Posted by xphunter
This is something that has been cooking for several weeks now.
How far can you shoot a 357 Magnum Revolver (not a singleshot), use all six cylinders, and still group 10-12 inches?
I'm talking about a group on a steel target.
What do you think?
Or even better what have you accomplished?


With irons fired DA? Maybe 50 yards.


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Are we talking offhand or shooting it like a rifle?


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xphunter will scope the revolver and shoot from a rested postion, as he would with an XP.



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Yes.
Either prone, seated with Bog-Gear and or possibly benched.


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Seated and supported at a bench I used to be abe to do that 50yds with my 4" King Cobra. Now with my eyesight the way it is I'd be luck to do that at 25yds. eek

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The only long range shooting I've done with a handgun was with my GP100 and Fiocci ammo, shooting at 10" steel plates at 270 yds. I was slouched down in a folding chair with my wrists braced on my crossed leg. Gun was touching nothing but my hands. I connected on my 3rd and 5th shots.

Haven't tried it since with the GPS or any other handgun.


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I seem to be in the minority here,For plinking off hand I will shoot 100yrds,but hunting I keep it 60yrds and in.but I shoot Irons.

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Not me, but a cousin thirty years ago. I used to enjoy watching him shoot a 4 5/8 blackhawk in 357 offhand. Empty pop cans at 100 yds was the usual target. He did not connect with every shot, but it was better than 50%.

Heck, I can not do that off the bench with a scope using my SBH hunter.


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I believe I can shoot a sub 2 MOA group at 500 yards (6-shots) on 10" steel.
Actually, I think I will go further, but until I start shooting everything is words.
I intend to video this as well.
I am not going to be attempting this from the off-hand position.
I am not trying to "hit a target," but rather shooting sustained groups at distance.

I am not going to be holding over for my distance shooting with a revolver-Why waste ammo needlessly?
I was shooting sub MOA at 100 yards shooting from the seated positions using the HD-3 Bog-Gear trip-pod and their PSR top with the two Franken-Rugers I shot a couple of weeks ago.

I am learning (or at least I think I am) that handgun bullet once it is stable from the muzzle stays stable even through transonic and subsonic.
Will be doing some reduced load testing to confirm this soon.
Guessing a 170 grain Sierra Tournament Master at 1400-1500 fps MV.
At 1500 fps MV with a 100 yard zero, my impact velocity is 937 fps at 500 yards with 50 MOA of drop, and 891fps at 600 yards with 65 MOA of drop.
If I am not consistently shooting MOA or under at 100 yards, there is no sense even trying.
I have 2 different 8 pounders coming with one of them being H-110, and I have over 1K of the Sierra 170 grain, and 500 pieces of Starline brass coming.

My SS 357 Magnum Ruger GP-100 is at Bayside awaiting to transformed in to the Franken-Ruger.
Scope is in process as well. Burris 2-7 LER with Ballistic Plex Reticle, and a elevation turret.
May use a rifle scope as well. Will determine that later.

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This is something that has been cooking for several weeks now.
How far can you shoot a 357 Magnum Revolver (not a singleshot), use all six cylinders, and still group 10-12 inches?
I'm talking about a group on a steel target.
What do you think?
Or even better what have you accomplished?


I have never played with 357's much but I will guess... 400yds. for that size group. Assuming some 170gr or more keith style bullets.

I knocked a turkey silhouette down @ 240yds with a 4" 29 yesterday. That was off hand with a spotter. 1st shot high, second show low, third shot "diiing."

Now since you've contemplated this, and obviously have some time behind a handgun, what is your goal/guess?



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Should be cool to see.




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Originally Posted by deflave
Should be cool to see.
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If you want to head to Gillette when I try, I would be glad to have you along.


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I'm a really good ball tosser.

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Should be cool to see.
Travis


If you want to head to Gillette when I try, I would be glad to have you along.


Maybe in the spring. 'Tis not the season to be departing the Hi-Line unfortunately.



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How about departing for the Hi Line for some birds???


Birds you say?



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My most accurate revolver is my 480, not my .357, and the 480 will put a cylinder full into 2" or better at 100 yds, scoped from a rest. I have no doubt a good .357 will be capable of the same, and hence stretching out to 400-500 yds holding a cylinder full on a 10-12" plate should be no problem. Offhand, and exceptional shot should have no problem at 200 yds.

As far as bullets staying stable at extended ranges, it depends on the bullet design. Years ago I sent some 460 gr wfn's in .475" to a buddy down south to test in his 480. Just as I'd found, it would group a cylinder full into 1" at 50 yds no problem when launched 1100 fps. But he tested them at extended ranges and found they started flying somewhere beyond 200 yds. The 400 gr lfn's would keep stable as far out as he was shooting, which I recall was around 400 yds.

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If you really want to stretch out the .357 Magnum, you might try finding loads for the 200gr Hornady Spire Point. There are a few guys who run these bullets at our local silhouette matches out of the .357 Maximums, both Dan Wessons and Rugers. The GP100 has a long cylinder to begin with, (I believe it can fit the 360DW round), so deepening the chamber to accommodate the longer bullet while also utilizing a new barrel with a twist-rate appropriate to the longer bullet, might get you some interesting results at longer ranges.

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I competed in handgun metallic silhouette for a few years.

I shot 357 mag and then immediately switched to 44 mag.
I had no problems hitting/downing rams with the 44 mag.
I hit them just as well with the 357 mag but knocking them down was iffy.

I found both with good loads capable of surprising accuracy at 100 or 200 meters.

About the time l quit metallic shooting l was usually good for 36/40.
The target l missed the most often was the #&*% turkey at 150 m.
My match handgun was a stainless Super Blackhawk Ruger sa 10" bbl open sites.

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Should be getting my FR soon.
Franken-Ruger LR goal:
I know all of us can shoot 357 Mag a really long ways and hit our target every time IF our target is dirt-Ha!
My 357 Mag FR should be ready soon.
Never tried this before with a revolver, but this is what I am going to attempt.

With one cylinder full/6-shots, one-shot per target in 50 yard increments: 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, and 350 on 10" steel.
Some of it might be on 5" steel at the closer ranges. Want to be able to shoot the string relatively fast, but scope choices can make that either faster or slower.
A LER scope will be slower I think, while I will be able to adjust for distance faster with a riflescope.
Next, I want to put 6-shots downrange @ 500 yards with a group of 10" or under.
I want to try this with off the shelf Extremunition ammo. This is the ammo that Chris and I used at Bang's Paradise Valley Hunt Club back in September. Guessing a 180 grain XTP.
Then I want to try a 6-shot group with H110 and the 170 grain Sierra Tournament Master bullets.
Plan to video this and take some good pics.
Of course, there will be a need to chrono loads and then get a ballistic drop chart, and confirm drops.
100 yard zero.
Time frame will depend on work schedules and the weather forecast.
I may actually hunt with my FR before I do my distance goal.

Now, is there anything you would like for me to realistically try?
Any suggestions on how this should be set-up?
Not promising I am going to try it, but I will consider it.
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I honestly don't know,come to think of it,if I've ever tried to shoot a handgun past 25-30 yards.I believe I'll give it a go some time when I have the room and distance to try.

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Getting a 10" group out at 500yds would be excellent shooting!

I always had my best groups with H-110.

Looking fwd to your results.

Best of luck with your project.

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1-20 if I remember correctly.
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Where'd you find anyone stocking H-110? I figured the powder shortage would be over by the time I needed to replenish, but apparently I was wrong frown

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That is an odd looking Ruger! Seems that if you wanted to go that way, a Contender would have been cheaper and easier. Of course, Contenders don't even come with one cylinder, let alone six.

To your question: it depends on the gun. I've done a 12" group with a GP100 6" and a box of ammo offhand at 100. And I've sniped milk jugs at 300 with a 6" Sauer single-action off my knee. Right now, with no warm-up, 100yds. After a couple cylinders to warm up, with good light, probably to 200, off my knees.


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Except, factory contender 357 mag barrels are garbage!

Also, a good revolver will be every bit as accurate as a contender, and there is a level of satisfaction shooting small groups with a revolver you don't get with a single shot pistol.

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Depends on if it is blued or stainless? I think I could see a stainless better in good daylight, so using my Model 70 .300 Win Mag off a rest, I should be able to shoot a "full sized" .357 revolver pretty far out there!

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Yea, I could have fixed/edited that, but you guys are having too much fun with my bad grammar.


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