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Winchester's answer to the Ruger American, Remington 783/770, etc?
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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First Ive heard of it.
Last I wanna hear of it.
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I wish makers would spend more time trying to see how good of a gun they can make , rather than how cheap of a gun they can make.
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Looks like Winchester trying to get on the bandwagon with the low priced rifles. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/interactive/firearms/xpr/images/p-XPRreceiver.jpg)
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Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell
Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
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You can't blame them. Price oint sells for the masses.
Dealers around here sell about 5 to one "budget" rifles compared to flagship models.
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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Our local pusher sells way more savage axis rifles than all the other premier rifles that he carries.
The new shooters are being pushed onto these type of plastic, utilitarian type guns, just look at the hunting shows now, you rarely see premium type guns on hunting shows now a days.
But on the other hand if it gets a new shooter into the sport because he/she can afford a $350 Savage package rifle I'm for it.
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They aren't being "pushed" on anything. People buy what they can afford.
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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Looks like Winchester trying to get on the bandwagon with the low priced rifles. Oliver is rolling over in his grave at about 4500 rpm.....
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Your grandchildren will be talking about Winchesters in "pre" and Post" XPR terms....
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It looks like they copied the American as closely as they possibly could with just enough difference to sidestep a patent infringement lawsuit. From the remarks here people aren't happy. Ruger owns that market and I bet it's driving the other gun companies crazy. Ruger can produce the same rifle - plastic stock, barrel nut, recoil lug attached to the stock, the stocks even look the same etc. etc., and folks take to them like ducks to a new pond and talk up how great they are. They even crave more expanded offerings; "gee, I wish they'd offer a 6.5 Fastwist with a this and that and the other". Like it or hate it, there's nothing here an emotional reaction is going to change. It's just the market demographics - the folks coming into the major gun buying demographic have no attachment to walnut at all and gun companies stay alive by selling what their buyers want. BTW, the left hand Ruger Americans are just starting to show up, looks like pretty soon I'll have to replace my right hand American .243 with a leftie... 
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They have entered the disposable rifle market?
I bet they shoot very well because if they don't, looks and price, won't get them over the line.
I'd try one.
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It looks like they copied the American as closely as they possibly could with just enough difference to sidestep a patent infringement lawsuit. From the remarks here people aren't happy. Ruger owns that market and I bet it's driving the other gun companies crazy. Ruger can produce the same rifle - plastic stock, barrel nut, recoil lug attached to the stock, the stocks even look the same etc. etc., and folks take to them like ducks to a new pond and talk up how great they are. They even crave more expanded offerings; "gee, I wish they'd offer a 6.5 Fastwist with a this and that and the other". Like it or hate it, there's nothing here an emotional reaction is going to change. It's just the market demographics - the folks coming into the major gun buying demographic have no attachment to walnut at all and gun companies stay alive by selling what their buyers want. BTW, the left hand Ruger Americans are just starting to show up, looks like pretty soon I'll have to replace my right hand American .243 with a leftie... You apparently missed all the extended crying and whining that took place here between when Ruger announced the new Americans and the time it took for people to actually buy a few and shoot them. Many threads about how Ruger had lost their way, firearms market going to heII, etc. David
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I don't get what all the uproar is about. They still make the 70, remington still makes the 700 (which was derided at the time of introduction much like the current budget guns are now), ruger still makes the 77, etc.
The budget guns have not killed off the flagship models, and they allow someone to get into the sport with a fairly low level of cash. I have always figured the rifle is the cheapest part of the equation, after all I spend on ammo, scopes, rings, mounts, slings, cases, etc. That's why I typically don't mind to spend a bit more to get what I want, although a Ruger shorty American in .308 is looking kind of attractive to me right now.
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I don't get what all the uproar is about. Old people don't like change. David
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Looks like chit is going downhill pretty fast for Winchester again. Maybe they should call this the Portugal rifleman's rifle.. 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Oliver Winchester broke winchester in 1936 so it's safe to say Winchester been going downhill since then....
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Too add to this Olin corporation realized in 1980 their was no money in gun making were going to shut the whole operation down. Time for guys to realize most folks are not like you/us and want only a good starter rifle. Example today talking to a guy makes damn good money no kids what does he buy to go to Adak a ruger American so winchester saw/sees an opportunity to make money.
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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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I wonder if the budget guns are hurting the sale of barrels for Encores and such, considering that you get a complete rifle for the price of a barrel.
Actually, I'm in favor of the budget concept. Having decent rifles available for a low price means beginners those with limited means will be buying them instead of the old, used guns I want.
What fresh Hell is this?
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