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I think Doc should just do all of his med administration, assessments, and cares without the aid of nursing if he gets any Ebola patients where he works.
goalie, don't think I haven't done (and still do) a helluva lot of that stuff myself. Part of the reason I left big city hospital practice to work in the sticks was so I could feel like part of a team again... and me and my nurses and techs ARE a team. We all get our gloves dirty. Like I said in the post you objected to, I meant no disrespect to the nursing profession in general, but the nurse in question here did something MOST nurses I know would NEVER do. (You should see how badly this nurse is being excoriated by other nurses on internet forums right now!) I apologize if my earlier post was taken as a slam against nurses in general, it was not intended as such. It could just as easily been an unprofessional doctor who committed this gross error, I know enough MD's who couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag.
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meanwhile - at DFW,( if you don't see it right away, keep looking) ![[Linked Image]](http://static3.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1976078.1413432094!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/hazmat16n-2-web.jpg) Guy with the clipboard and no suit is obviously a Mason...
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I don't care WHAT CDC told they nurse, they are stupid and WHY does she need to hear from them what she obviously already knew?
It's no different than the World Trade Center. A plane fly into one tower and they announced in the other tower that everything is ok. [bleep] you, I'm out of there.
She KNEW something wasn't right, if she didn't she wouldn't have called CDC.
CDC and the nurse were BOTH wrong. Agree but Doc R put all the blame on the nurse. You can't have it both ways. If she is just an ignorant bedpan emptier, then why the hell shouldn't she listen to what the CDC tells her to do? I think Doc should just do all of his med administration, assessments, and cares without the aid of nursing if he gets any Ebola patients where he works. Sure you can. WTF did she call the CDC if she didn't already have a concern? PEOPLE are ultimately responsible for THEIR actions, not a person at the switchboard. Again, the INDIVIDUAL is ultimately responsible. 'I was just following orders' is a BULLSHEIT excuse. Always has been, always will be.
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I honestly thought someone had photoshopped Obama into the picture.
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Fault? Arguing over fault at this point is like the passengers and crew of the Titanic arguing who was at fault for not seeing or avoiding the iceberg about 20 minutes after impact.
Let the survivors worry about fault later.
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holy [bleep]
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The 3-day window of Sept. 28-30 is now being targeted by investigators for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as the key time during which health care workers may have been exposed to the deadly virus by Duncan, who died Oct. 8 from the disease.
Duncan was suspected of having Ebola when he was admitted to a hospital isolation unit Sept. 28, and he developed projectile vomiting and explosive diarrhea later that day, according to medical records his family turned over to The Associated Press.
But workers at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas did not abandon their gowns and scrubs for hazmat suits until tests came back positive for Ebola about 2 p.m. on Sept. 30, according to details of the records released by AP.
have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings
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People are responsible for their own actions but up until the last few days the CDC and the media made this thing out to be something that only semi-literate witch doctors in Africa had to worry about and that pretty much the standard protocols used for treating almost any patient over here would work.
A lot of arrogance without much knowledge of what has actually been happening in Africa.
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Asking the CDC for personal health advice, as this nurse did, is like calling the North Pole and expecting to talk to Santa.
You don't think the CDC gave the caregivers a special number to call?
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meanwhile - at DFW,( if you don't see it right away, keep looking) Guy with the clipboard and no suit is obviously a Mason... Don't worry, he ate his Cheerios this morning. Good to go.
Feel the Bern in your wallet.
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Asking the CDC for personal health advice, as this nurse did, is like calling the North Pole and expecting to talk to Santa.
You don't think the CDC gave the caregivers a special number to call? Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if in the end it turns out that one of the main honchos okayed her request.
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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With all due respect, Doc, in response to the "lack of funding" issues you mention, when part of the funds they DID get were spent promoting an anti gun agenda, I ain't at all hossin' to give 'em more. I'm not keen on the CDC's politicized role in the gun control debate, but keep in mind that that was/is a tiny part of what CDC really does. CDC's underfunding goes back to the 80's. Example: They desperately needed to build new state-of-the-art viral studies lab buildings at the BL-3 and BL-4 levels back in the late 80's, and Congress gave them $90 million toward that (about half of waht was needed). Before CDC could use that money as intended, Congress took half of that money away for "budget cuts". It hasn't got any better since then, as far as I can ascertain.
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Asking the CDC for personal health advice, as this nurse did, is like calling the North Pole and expecting to talk to Santa.
You don't think the CDC gave the caregivers a special number to call? I have no idea if they did or didn't, but I suspect they had/have other priorities and expected the people at Presbyterian and at Dallas Health Dept to handle those sorts of questions.
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Asking the CDC for personal health advice, as this nurse did, is like calling the North Pole and expecting to talk to Santa.
You don't think the CDC gave the caregivers a special number to call? Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if in the end it turns out that one of the main honchos okayed her request. I would be VERY surprised if that were the case. A couple of things that were readily apparent in previous Ebola outbreaks, and have been active in west Africa during the current outbreak: 1) Media frenzy provides a lot of misinformation to the public and creates local panics. 2) Conspiracy theorists accuse their own governments/authorities of deliberatley causing the epidemic. 3) Families and friends of Ebola victims accuse the healthcare workers actually treating sick people of deliberately killing their loved ones. There's a lot of paranoia going on here.
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holy [bleep]
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The 3-day window of Sept. 28-30 is now being targeted by investigators for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as the key time during which health care workers may have been exposed to the deadly virus by Duncan, who died Oct. 8 from the disease.
Duncan was suspected of having Ebola when he was admitted to a hospital isolation unit Sept. 28, and he developed projectile vomiting and explosive diarrhea later that day, according to medical records his family turned over to The Associated Press.
But workers at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas did not abandon their gowns and scrubs for hazmat suits until tests came back positive for Ebola about 2 p.m. on Sept. 30, according to details of the records released by AP. Clearly a "disaster", I suspect we will see close to a dozen health care workers involved in the initial case infected with ebola.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence". John Adams
"A dishonest man can always be trusted to be dishonest". Captain Jack Sparrow
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Have you met many people in the healthcare profession?
Ever meet SES level of government employees?
There's your answer.
Travis
I have to agree with Trav on this one.   Most of the "health care professionals" I know are neither "professional" nor all that intelligent. I mean no disrespect to nurses who I know and trust to behave responsibly and professionally, but this Dallas-Ohio nurse's idiotic and irresponsible travel behavior was about what I'd expect for the average RN. You can't blame the CDC for this mess. The nurse knew she was sick. She knew she'd been exposed to Ebola. If she had a shred of sense and real education (most nurses have very little real medical science education) she would have taken personal responsibility for this and would not have gone out in public. The key to defeating this outbreak is application of sound public health procedures and and acceptance of personal responsibility by every member of the public, including (perhaps especially) healthcare workers. No Doc, we most certainly can blame the CDC for this. The "minimum requirements" for PPE that they put out are absolutely foolish. We can blame the hospital for allowing the care givers involved to leave the hospital and not quarantine them for 30 days
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Well, she initially had a fever of 99.5 degrees when she traveled to Ohio and then she got sicker, so one can assume it went up from there. So to answer your question, she was hot and then got hotter.
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Not confirmed, but supposedly there are a husband and wife in isolation in Midland showing Ebola-like symptoms, that were in the ER in Dallas at Presbyterian the same time as Duncan.
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Not confirmed, but supposedly there are a husband and wife in isolation in Midland showing Ebola-like symptoms, that were in the ER in Dallas at Presbyterian the same time as Duncan. Cripes...
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False Alarm..."Two People Tested Negative For Ebola at Midland Memorial Hospital" http://www.newswest9.com/story/2679...e-for-ebola-at-midland-memorial-hospital
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence". John Adams
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