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Originally Posted by smithrjd
In the 6.5X57 over 200fps. In my Steyer with 160's I can get to 2860 safely. The 260 is a great round up to 140g after that it does not have the case capacity or COL to take the heavy weights. Probably more Moose have been taken with the 6.5X55 in 156g that any other cartridge. Depends on what your use is. I like to keep options open. To me the 260 limits itself.


Not a 6.5 guru here.... trying to learn more stuff...

With these newer high quality bonded bullets, 140 grains or less, what is the advantage of the 156grain bullet? Or other even heavier ones?

Not pecking at you, honest sincere question, I am not a 6.5 expert...


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Originally Posted by smithrjd
In the 6.5X57 over 200fps. In my Steyer with 160's I can get to 2860 safely. The 260 is a great round up to 140g after that it does not have the case capacity or COL to take the heavy weights. Probably more Moose have been taken with the 6.5X55 in 156g that any other cartridge. Depends on what your use is. I like to keep options open. To me the 260 limits itself.


According to Chuck Hawks, your x57 oughta take you to Africa to kill elephants with Mr. Bell! LOL. Interesting comparisons of S/D's:

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For instance, the light 120 grain 6.5mm bullet has a SD of .246, the same as a 165 grain .30 caliber bullet. The 125 grain 6.5mm bullet has a SD of .256, equal to that of a 170 grain .30 caliber bullet. The medium weight 140 grain 6.5mm bullet has an outstanding SD of .287, which is essentially the same as a 190 grain .30 caliber match bullet. And the heavy 160 grain 6.5mm bullet has a SD of .328, about like a 220 grain .30 caliber bullet. Ponder these comparisons for a moment and it becomes clear why the 6.5's kill almost as well as the larger calibers, but with much less recoil and muzzle blast.

That the 6.5mm cartridges are suitable for most of the world's big game cannot be disputed. The record of the 6.5mm cartridges in Africa, for example, is well documented. 6.5's became the favorite cartridges of many well-known professional hunters in Africa, a number of who wrote about these cartridges. The legendary ivory hunter W.D.M. Bell was among these, and he went so far as to use his 6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenhauer with 160 grain solid bullets for brain shots on elephants. He liked the moderate recoil and the deep penetration of the 6.5mm bullets. He also used the 7x57 Mauser with 175 grain solid bullets for the same purpose. With these two calibers he is reputed to have killed over 1000 elephants.



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One more honest question...

When you load the swede hot with heavy bullets do you have to get the published load data from a shady character in the bad part of town down an alley by a tawdry pawn shop? LOL

But seriously, does anybody publish load data for modern-metal stronger action swedes?

Seems like I may have found another thread that answers my question:
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/3850534/1

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Originally Posted by smithrjd
In the 6.5X57 over 200fps. In my Steyer with 160's I can get to 2860 safely. The 260 is a great round up to 140g after that it does not have the case capacity or COL to take the heavy weights. Probably more Moose have been taken with the 6.5X55 in 156g that any other cartridge. Depends on what your use is. I like to keep options open. To me the 260 limits itself.


You're comparing a LA to a SA cartridge?

Fine. 264 win mag kicks your 6.5x57 in the balls.


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Hey, seriously, whatever floats your boat (we each have our preferences and biases).....just saying don't sell the 260 short (pun intended). Again, I certainly would not feel "under-gunned" hunting most NA game with it - assuming appropriate bullets and have seen no real world advantages of the two cartridges that you are touting over the 260 - just my opinion/experience and your mileage may (and appears to) vary.

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As long as I'm seeming to be getting reamed, I will ask this question, why the love of a SA over a LA? What is the advantage? Especially considering the cartridges in question. Perhaps the age old 308 vs. 30-06 issue.. I have the 06.

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[quote Robert_White [/quote]

According to Chuck Hawks, your x57 oughta take you to Africa to kill elephants with Mr. Bell! LOL. Interesting comparisons of S/D's
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Pay no attention to this joker...


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Originally Posted by smithrjd
As long as I'm seeming to be getting reamed, I will ask this question, why the love of a SA over a LA? What is the advantage? Especially considering the cartridges in question. Perhaps the age old 308 vs. 30-06 issue.. I have the 06.


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I find the sectional density comparisons interesting and entertaining minutia for debate and bicker on a boring evening.

Are you intimating that the data he posits is inaccurate???

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Originally Posted by smithrjd
As long as I'm seeming to be getting reamed, I will ask this question, why the love of a SA over a LA? What is the advantage? Especially considering the cartridges in question. Perhaps the age old 308 vs. 30-06 issue.. I have the 06.


The only real world advantage I have noticed for myself is that when shooting prone the bolt don't hit my nose with a short action if I am maintaining position and not breaking my cheek weld while shooting a 5 shot string. Maybe its just me...

I am thinking I could convert to the Swede addiction given some more thought and consternation.


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It's really not that complicated:

1. Drive to the gun shop.
2. Pick out the one you like.
3. Pay for it.
4. Live happily ever after.


Or skullphuck it to death and worry about what people you'll never meet think about it.

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Originally Posted by 16bore
It's really not that complicated:

1. Drive to the gun shop.
2. Pick out the one you like.
3. Pay for it.
4. Live happily ever after.


Or skullphuck it to death and worry about what people you'll never meet think about it.



Stop making sense!


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I gave him that advice weeks ago..


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Originally Posted by smithrjd
As long as I'm seeming to be getting reamed, I will ask this question, why the love of a SA over a LA? What is the advantage? Especially considering the cartridges in question. Perhaps the age old 308 vs. 30-06 issue.. I have the 06.


I like a short action because I'm short with a short LOP. This makes the overall length of the rifle shorter for the same length barrel. Throw in the fact that the .308 Winchester will do everything the 30-06 will do with bullet weights in the 160 to 170 grain area with less felt recoil and what's not to like.

This is my opinion I'm sure not shared by anyone else.


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Add in the plethora of ball ammo available for dinking around with and stuff built with premium bullets and you wonder why you have a reloading press.

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Originally Posted by 16bore
Add in the plethora of ball ammo available for dinking around with and stuff built with premium bullets and you wonder why you have a reloading press.


'El Jefe..... how many is a Plethora?'.......

I have a reloading press so I have a reason to be in the garage.... where nobody else is.


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Originally Posted by 16bore
Add in the plethora of ball ammo available for dinking around with and stuff built with premium bullets and you wonder why you have a reloading press.


'El Jefe..... how many is a Plethora?'.......

I have a reloading press so I have a reason to be in the garage.... where nobody else is.


That'd be mucho. And yeah, "reloading" looks a lot like solitary in me casa too...

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