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These have been out 3-4 years or so now...any of you AR

shooters have them ? Reviews sound good...just seems I should

have one...have 3-4K rds of 40 Smith laying around for my XD40


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Haven't tried a .40, but have tried a 9mm Colt 635 and the muzzle flip from 9mm seemed worse than 5.56 out of a 14.5"+phantom pencil barrel so .40 should jack that up even more.

Unless you are shooting on a range that doesn't allow rifle ammo, I really do not see many perks with a 16" pistol round carbine.


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I've been pondering getting a pistol caliber upper for my AR, also. Anybody out there shooting a 10mm upper? Interesting what Sherp said about the 9 upper. I've never shot one and was curious.


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Surprised me a bit. The 635 has a 10.5" barrel and think(been awhile) it was an A2 type comp versus the 14.5"+Phantom(not much of a comp) and various 16" pencils + A2 comps (the same furniture/basic external feature layout on all variants) I have tried and the difference was notable in the 9mm versus 5.56. Not saying the 9mm was uncontrollable or painful(it is a 6lbs 9mm after all), but there was more flip with it. I assume this is a variation of the factors in play when a pistol with fixed sights will typically have a higher point of impact when using a heavier bullet weight than a lighter one.

The 10mm seems sort of interesting for hunting because of the increase in power, but very much doubt it would have anything going for it over a 5.56 with any decent for task bullet beyond beating a bore diameter regulation and perhaps a bit lower muzzle blast level which I forgot to mention as a plus with the other 2 pistol chamberings.


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Tikkanut, you've hit on the best reason to own such as carbine, ammo interchangeability. I'm considering one as well, but in the .44 magnum lever action flavor.

If someone made a realizable .44 Mag upper I'd sure consider it, but the rimmed cases don't seem to like magazines very well.


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The 9mm AR (Colt 6450) is as smooth shooting as the M&P 22LR.

Never heard of anyone that couldn't run one fast and flat, there just is no flip, dip or movement at all compared to a 223.

That said I traded mine cause the 223 will out do any pistol chambering when it counts. Pistol cartridges belong in pistols unless you just want to have fun on the range.

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If you really want to get a great carbine to go with your pistol of the same cartridge, look at the Beretta CX-4 Storm. I have one on all calibers, 9mm, 40 and 45 ACP. They are a great companion to a pistol and give you a bit more range and are extremely accurate.

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Like I said the 6450 is as smooth a shooter as they get.

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I've kicked around the idea of a pistol caliber semi-auto carbine. The Beretta Storm seemed interesting, but you are stuck with proprietary magazines, and the optics mounting didn't do much for me.

The Just Right takes Glock magazines, which are easily found and reasonably cheap. Optics are easily mounted

The Mech-Tech carbine conversions are also interesting. They are a little different concept, mounting on a pistol frame, either Glocks or 1911's.

What I have not heard is how well either of them, actually shoot smile



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4000 rounds of 40 cal, trade it for some nice 223 ammo! smile


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Originally Posted by TWR
Like I said the 6450 is as smooth a shooter as they get.



Smooth yes, but you said:

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there just is no flip, dip or movement at all compared to a 223.



The same man shooting one of each showed that the 9mm version does in fact move as much as the .223. Do we need to see if the same man has demo'd a .22LR variant so we can see if it moves as much as that 9mm?


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No, I just needed to shoot for myself to see the difference between all 3 cause I owned all 3 at the same time.

Listen to the guy when he talks about no recoil...

There is no flip on a 6450 they are smooth shooting and very fast on multiple targets. I can't imagine the 40 would be much different. Pistol cartridges just don't have the power a 223 does.

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Now come on, experience does not trump YouTube videos!


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The first PD I worked for issued(when I started) Smith 4506 handguns, and Marlin Camp 45 carbines that used the same magazines as the pistols


While I understood, and appreciated the theory i never really cared for either weapon


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Originally Posted by jimmyp
4000 rounds of 40 cal, trade it for some nice 223 ammo! smile


don't need 223 ammo..have 7-8K handloaded rds for 3 rifles


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From what I've understood, it's hard to find a load for pistol caliber carbines, that also shoots well in both short & long guns. smirk


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Originally Posted by TWR
No, I just needed to shoot for myself to see the difference between all 3 cause I owned all 3 at the same time.

Listen to the guy when he talks about no recoil...

There is no flip on a 6450 they are smooth shooting and very fast on multiple targets. I can't imagine the 40 would be much different. Pistol cartridges just don't have the power a 223 does.



But as we can see there is recoil.

It isn't uncontrollable by any means, but it is there and more noticeable than 5.56 is.


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Now come on, experience does not trump YouTube videos!



You mean my initial post in this thread mentioning shooting a 635 and a pencil barrel 5.56 carbine with the same N stocks and field sight uppers?


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