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Wondering why there seems to be no love for the 125 XTP in the 357! I loaded a bunch long ago for my 686 plus. I thought over the years I might find out more about this combination but NEVER see anyone else using it! I imagine there's probably a good reason but for the life of me I can't figure out why!
Could you please enlighten me!
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That's one of my favorite jacketed bullets for my 686 and my Rossi lever gun.
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That's one of my favorite jacketed bullets for my 686 and my Rossi lever gun. Thanks very much, I'm glad to hear that! I was beginning to think it was some kind of taboo to use a 125!
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Wondering why there seems to be no love for the 125 XTP in the 357! I loaded a bunch long ago for my 686 plus. I thought over the years I might find out more about this combination but NEVER see anyone else using it! I imagine there's probably a good reason but for the life of me I can't figure out why!
Could you please enlighten me! I don't really see much about one bullet or another being dominant around here when it comes to reloading for the 357 or much of anything else. Most guys generally seem to like heavy bullet weights, especially in the big bores like the 45 Colt. Cast bullets get a lot of discussion. That's about the only generalizations I can think of. The XTP is a good bullet and I like that weight in the 357.
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Just depends on what you intend to use it for. For city use, I see no problem with the 125gr. For the outback, I prefer a 158gr HP.
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I like XTPs especially the 158 @ about 1400 FPS out of a revolver.
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Max loads with H110 shoot tight of my 586, and scream out of my Marlin. But the concussion and muzzle blast out of the Smith keep me from shooting many of them.
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Probably the single most unpleasant combination I've ever fired through the 357.
Supposed to be a great man killer though. I guess if I have to shoot a lot of people I'd load up a pile.
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I like XTPs especially the 158 @ about 1400 FPS out of a revolver.
Close to my current favorite load for my Security Six.
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125's are great for defense, but not what I'd choose out in the field. 158's are great go anywhere, do anything loads. Nearly as effective as the 125's on two legged critters, and more effective on 4 legged critters. And in the 158 grain category, the XTP is one of my favorites; it's an excellent bullet.
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Thanks very much guys!! Most folks I knew from the sportsmans club claimed it was blasphemy to use anything less than 158 in the 357! I just gotta think they would ruin the day of a home invader!
If I ever get the chance to load some up again I'll have to try the 158's!
Thanks for all the great info!!!
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125 gr full power loads are death to S&W J&K frames. It was the popularity of this load by po-lice that led to the development of the 686 & GP100. J&K frames went out of time in short order from the battering, and Ruger "Six" series guns often cracked the barrel at the 6 o-clock position on the later guns that had the bottom of the barrel squared to clear the gas shield used in the late versions. Then there was the barrel erosion problem. Interestingly, the 686 & GP because less necessary later on because the 357 was emasculated ones again because it killed the very guns it was never designed for in the first place. I blame S&W for this of course, since they had the most to gain from the 357s castration.
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158 full charge loads slow down your repeat hits (a lot) compared to a .45, 38 Super, 9x23, .40 short and weak. It's not "just as good" for defense vs men. the 125 is not, either, but it's a better choice (by far) than the 158's. if you let the velocity get blow 1200 fps, expansion of such jhp's is "iffy" after having the nose clogged with clothing debris.
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Well, the loads I have at present are 7.5 grains of Titegroup supposedly running 1497 fps. I tried the full power H110 loads and thought the old girl was gonna blow up in my hand. I also have a load of 17 grains (I believe) of 2400, not sure what fps those are running at.
Most of the shooting I've done with this gun has been with 3 to 5 grains of 231 with a 125 grain lead cowboy bullet. Very mild and pleasant to shoot. (steel shoots at the club)
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Full house 125 loads out of my 2" SP 101 get your attention. Something very uncomfortable and at the same time comforting about a close range revolver that goes off like a friggin bomb in your hand.
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what's comfortable about MISSING the attacker? cause that's what you'll probably do, when you have to fire without ear protection.
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Makes me wonder if I shouldn't grab my carbine instead of the revolver for a defensive situation.
I'm not a very good handgun shooter! The folks at the club I used to belong to started calling me Revolver Rick cause I shot my 686 so much better than any other type of handgun. But I have to admit those max 357 loads always make me wonder if I'm gonna end up with stumps for hands!
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158 full charge loads slow down your repeat hits (a lot) compared to a .45, 38 Super, 9x23, .40 short and weak. It's not "just as good" for defense vs men. the 125 is not, either, but it's a better choice (by far) than the 158's. if you let the velocity get blow 1200 fps, expansion of such jhp's is "iffy" after having the nose clogged with clothing debris. I don't find 158gr @ about 1300-1400 fps to be especially slow to get repeat hits from my Ruger SS. Can't imagine a 686 would be much different. The local bunny-huggers have been known to dream about bears wearing stylish quilted jackets, but I haven't seen any of them doing so yet. The 125 38 Super and 9x23 loads can be essentially duplicated in .357, and often are (and those loads aren't as hard on the revolver as the hotter loads). Those other cartridges have magic bullets, or what?
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what's comfortable about MISSING the attacker? cause that's what you'll probably do, when you have to fire without ear protection. Because a .45 or 38 Super fired in confined spaces are so much quieter than a .357. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.tropictravelonline.com/ubb/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
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Makes me wonder if I shouldn't grab my carbine instead of the revolver for a defensive situation.
There's no wonder in that for me...carbine/rifle/shotgun, given the choice I'm going long gun. ...but would like a handgun along for the ride.
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I don't have a need for defense against two legged varmints, I don't think I ever will. I normally use mid range loads with cast 158's or jacketed 125's in my K frame - day to day. I'd rather have the 158's in cast bullets for almost any use. If I am in country where varmints are capable of biting me, scratching me or otherwise hurting me and I think I need something with more power, I'll go to the 44. In the 44 I don't hot rod loads any more either, no matter if it is a special, or magnum. Again cast bullets is my preference. I sometimes may buy jacketed for convenience. I consider jacketed bullets inferior in almost any situation, except in rifles where velocity is much higher than 2200 fps.
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I consider jacketed bullets inferior in almost any situation, except in rifles where velocity is much higher than 2200 fps. Why is that? I've read and heard others say the same but have no idea why they feel that way!
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what's comfortable about MISSING the attacker? cause that's what you'll probably do, when you have to fire without ear protection. I feel like I've finally arrived, having been noticed by Gunkid.
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125's are OK and have a great police record; but 158's have been more accurate in all my 357's. Also, 38 158's usually shoot to the same point of impact. For home defense I use Speer 135 Gold Dots; they seem to shoot about as accurately as 158's and have the same zero. 158 is my all around (plinking, hunting, competition, and self protection) weight.
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125's are great for defense, but not what I'd choose out in the field. 158's are great go anywhere, do anything loads. Nearly as effective as the 125's on two legged critters, and more effective on 4 legged critters. And in the 158 grain category, the XTP is one of my favorites; it's an excellent bullet. The answer, man killer but not for deer or larger.
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I have no guns for protection and my 410 shotgun would be my first to grab, or the 12 but my revolvers are for hunting only so if I shot a BG I might take out my car too. A whole mag of nines can let you survive but one shot from my .475 will end it. Trouble is what is beyond my boolit. Not a problem here but I could kill my car. My boolits will go though a whole house.
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I've got 125 xtp's loaded for both 357 and 38+P. For my Beretta 96 I've loaded some 155 Speer Gold Dots. I believe they should get the job done but hope I never really have to find out!
For those of you that prefer shotguns, what do you stuff em with? I've got mine stuffed with bird shot or slugs. I'm not real crazy about the slugs. Just seems like a carbine might be more accurate than slugs from a shotgun. Am I wrong? (It's been known to happen)lol
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For those of you that prefer shotguns, what do you stuff em with? I've got mine stuffed with bird shot or slugs. I'm not real crazy about the slugs. My current house has neighbors on 3 sides within 50yds. My HD shotgun is a Benelli M1 with an extended tube loaded with 4 RDS of 4 Buck followed by 4 RDS of OO buck. The Side saddle has 3 more 00 Buck and 3 slugs. My rationale is that with 4 buck any stray pellets have less of a chance of leaving my homes walls and 30 .24" pellets at HD ranges should work. If the fight is prolonged or range increases 00 Buck and Slugs will work.
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For those of you that prefer shotguns, what do you stuff em with? I've got mine stuffed with bird shot or slugs. I'm not real crazy about the slugs. My current house has neighbors on 3 sides within 50yds. My HD shotgun is a Benelli M1 with an extended tube loaded with 4 RDS of 4 Buck followed by 4 RDS of OO buck. The Side saddle has 3 more 00 Buck and 3 slugs. My rationale is that with 4 buck any stray pellets have less of a chance of leaving my homes walls and 41 .24" pellets at HD ranges should work. If the fight is prolonged or range increases 00 Buck and Slugs will work. WOW! I would say that should do the job alright!!
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GS, I got a smoking deal on the M1 as it's likely overkill for my AO. Had to swap parts to make it 922 compliant (no more then 10 imported "parts" if more then 1 of :fixed muzzle break, pistol grip or capacity over 5 RDS) which was done via the Surefire forend, Briley spring and follower. After my post I went and looked at the current loads and had to edit. I forgot I swapped the 3" RDS for 2 3/4" managed recoil loads for the wife. It currently has: -4 Hevi-duty 2 3/4" 4 buck (30 frangible pellets) -4 Fiocchi 2 3/4" 00 buck (9 pellets) The saddle has: -3 Fiocchi 2 3/4" 00 buck -3 Federal 3" 1 1/4oz slugs. Yeah I think it will suffice... <grin> ![[Linked Image]](http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z254/MallardAddict/guns/20141027_213726_zpsncpaiy2i.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z254/MallardAddict/guns/20141027_213631_zpsmu2lckwt.jpg)
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GS, I got a smoking deal on the M1 as it's likely overkill for my AO. Had to swap parts to make it 922 compliant (no more then 10 imported "parts" if more then 1 of :fixed muzzle break, pistol grip or capacity over 5 RDS) which was done via the Surefire forend, Briley spring and follower. After my post I went and looked at the current loads and had to edit. I forgot I swapped the 3" RDS for 2 3/4" managed recoil loads for the wife. It currently has: -4 Hevi-duty 2 3/4" 4 buck (30 frangible pellets) -4 Fiocchi 2 3/4" 00 buck (9 pellets) The saddle has: -3 Fiocchi 2 3/4" 00 buck -3 Federal 3" 1 1/4oz slugs. Yeah I think it will suffice... <grin> Thanks very much! You sure have put some thought and effort in that! (as it should be) Makes my little 1300 Ranger look like a toy!
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Thank you kindly sir. My thought is that for things that go bump in the night and get ones heart rate up my first choice to defend my home is a 12 ga with the handguns for backup.
My wife shoots handguns well but between my work and hunting she spends some night solo. I've made the choice to give her the best options to defend herself and she shoots the Benelli well. Better yet she trusts it 110% as she has probably 3k RDS through her hunting Benelli and its familiar and comfortable to her.
Hell she demands it reside in the corner on her side of the bed. Lol
My old man swears by his 1300 for HD. He got a shorter barrel somewhere, got an extended tube (6+1 IIRC) with barrel clamp, sourced a spare stock set that he cut down the buttstock and bolted a short section of picatinny rail with a light via 1" Weaver scope ring to the front left side of the pump so he can trigger it with his left thumb. He figures he is into it for under $400 and 10 minutes and a few hand tools its back to bird mode.
May not be as pretty or gasp "tactical" (I hate that word) as my Benelli but sure the hell works just as well.
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Thank you kindly sir. My thought is that for things that go bump in the night and get ones heart rate up my first choice to defend my home is a 12 ga with the handguns for backup.
My wife shoots handguns well but between my work and hunting she spends some night solo. I've made the choice to give her the best options to defend herself and she shoots the Benelli well. Better yet she trusts it 110% as she has probably 3k RDS through her hunting Benelli and its familiar and comfortable to her.
Hell she demands it reside in the corner on her side of the bed. Lol
My old man swears by his 1300 for HD. He got a shorter barrel somewhere, got an extended tube (6+1 IIRC) with barrel clamp, sourced a spare stock set that he cut down the buttstock and bolted a short section of picatinny rail with a light via 1" Weaver scope ring to the front left side of the pump so he can trigger it with his left thumb. He figures he is into it for under $400 and 10 minutes and a few hand tools its back to bird mode.
May not be as pretty or gasp "tactical" (I hate that word) as my Benelli but sure the hell works just as well.
All the best. OMG a wife that shoots! can it get any better than that??? That 1300 of your dad's sounds very nice and affordable! Mine sits next to the bed along with a Beretta 96 and a S&W 686 plus! Flashlights, mags and speed loaders are within easy reach also! I also have a Kel-tec sub 2000 that uses the Beretta mags (40 S&W) where I can easily stumble over it. I like the idea of having both a carbine and handgun that uses the same mags and ammmo while I clear the house!
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Those sub 2000's just make sense as a HD gun and I agree with the mag compatibility being a nice bonus. Somewhere in the safe is a S&W 5906 and a beat ass Marlin Camp 9 that was my truck gun. Thinking I have 4 or 5 20rd mags for it. Not sure the wife has ever shot either but you may be onto something. As to the wife she is a keeper for sure. Went from 0 guns in 29 years of life to 7 by 31. Here she is a few weeks ago shooting my M&P Pro Core 9 with Deltapoint. Oops I forgot she informed me it is "HERS" now and resides in her nightstand with a Surefire she "borrowed" off another of my pistols. 2 liter bottles are in serious danger at 150yds with her on its trigger so I would hate to be a burglar. (Her Tikka .308 is in the background and clays on the berm at 350 died fast) ![[Linked Image]](http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z254/MallardAddict/guns/20140531_195913_zpsoufemcum.jpg)
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Those sub 2000's just make sense as a HD gun and I agree with the mag compatibility being a nice bonus. Somewhere in the safe is a S&W 5906 and a beat ass Marlin Camp 9 that was my truck gun. Thinking I have 4 or 5 20rd mags for it. Not sure the wife has ever shot either but you may be onto something. As to the wife she is a keeper for sure. Went from 0 guns in 29 years of life to 7 by 31. Here she is a few weeks ago shooting my M&P Pro Core 9 with Deltapoint. Oops I forgot she informed me it is "HERS" now and resides in her nightstand with a Surefire she "borrowed" off another of my pistols. 2 liter bottles are in serious danger at 150yds with her on its trigger so I would hate to be a burglar. (Her Tikka .308 is in the background and clays on the berm at 350 died fast) Hot Dang your a lucky fella! We used to try and get all the ladies we could out to the sportsman's club and try and get em interested in the steel shoots (or anything else they might be interested in). Never seemed to work to well but there was always a couple that would take the bait and really take off. It was great watching them improve every month and turn into excited members! Heck the range officers wife was one of the best shooters I've seen in a while! after a while they would jump into the bowling pin shoots, then the cowboy shoots! Lots of fun and lots of practice! Yeah I wish I could take credit for the carbine handgun thing but that was something else I was exposed to at the club! Those guys cost me a small fortune but I loved every minute of it! lol Thanks for all the great tips! I really appreciate it!
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