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Nothing on the first page? What happened to you guys?

I don't remember the movie ending like this...

Pretty sure flu season is going to be a fun one, there will be LOTS of 'Ebola' cases...

One thing I've been wondering, how many folks posting about Ebola would get an Ebola vaccine if available?

I've seen some of those same that are worried about the Ebola that have stated they would never get a Flu vaccine. I'm betting more folks die from Flu in the next 6 months than Ebola.

No vaccines, remember? Vaccines and flouride are bad for you.

Ebola is dangerous crap, but the genie needs to get out of the bottle in larger numbers to present an epidemic here. Instead of 1 or 2 people who are incubating, there needs to be a few more.

This was a good wake-up call. It also continues to expose our president for the kindergarten thug he really is.

He talks about junior varsity, as if he ever had the chance to actually make a JV team.

The movie's not over, it's just in intermission right now.

By the way, it is hardly hysteria to expect that our government should do everything in its power to keep Ebola out of America. Everybody knows that there are plenty of other diseases here that currently kill a lot more folks than Ebola. However, that is hardly a valid excuse to be cavalier about adding another horror like Ebola to the list.

Thank God!! For now.

Maybe the freaking stock market will now get back to normal and focus will be put back on the dude in charge and what he's doing with his EO pens.

Tuberculosis.

Thanks for raising awareness, dude!! Peace, love, vaccines!!

I can't find breathing masks anywhere!!

Of course I'm not looking either so maybe that's the problem.

This.

kwg

If I am exposed to the flu at work and get it, the chance that I die from it is less than half of one percent, and am likely to not even need medical care to survive.

Ebola, on the other hand, I am certain to need ICU care, will likely have to survive DIC by receiving the massive transfusion protocol, and still have a decent chance of dying.

Apples, meet oranges.

There's some perspective for ya! Well said.

Maybe people have figured out that during the early stages of infection ebola is actually hard to transmit to other people...

Ok probably not, but the lack of any new cases being reported has calmed the ebola hysteria down temporarily. If we have another case reported the panic will fire right back up.

Yes, it was.

If an Ebola vaccine comes out, it will be some hurried-up affair that will probably kill more people than any Flu vaccine ever has.

I had my Flu shot about a week ago. Maybe it will protect me from the Flu and maybe it won't since it's specific to the type of Flu the drug company thinks will be most widespread, but doesn't cover all of them.

That or the MSM has been told to stfu about it until after all Obama's pards get re-elected.

It's too bad for many we don't have some hysteria about that, of course, if it isn't going to kill a few million of us it's no big deal.

Illegal aliens only kill about 20 of us a day, so we take the attitude blacks did years ago in Africa going to the croc infested river to wash. There's no big chance of any one person being chomped if a whole bunch jump in the river at the same time.

It's interesting that the Feds (with or without Obama's "leadership") finally put some air travel restrictions in effect yesterday. Restrictions that probably should have been put in place 4-6 months ago at least.

Just because the media isn't peeing their pants over this issue doesn't mean it's gone away. The efforts to control the outbreak in west Africa are still ongoing, and from what I can glean out of the press (mostly international outlets, US press is virtually useless for anything outside of Kardashian-class "news") the inflow of dollars and personnel from various outside nations, including the USA, is making some positive headway in that regard.

Domestically, we are still waaaaaaaay behind the curve. Control of infected persons trying to come into the USA is still a joke. There WILL be more infected people coming into the USA yet.

And hospital preparedness is still woefully inadequate. Yesterday my hospital's DON came back from a regional Ebola-preparedness meeting and told me that when she raised the idea of setting up triage units outside of hospital ER's, the group was stunned and amazed at this idea... and these are supposedly some of the leading lights in Infection Control in Texas!! She said that when she pointed out to them that having Ebola patients come into our ER's would paralyze the hospital for several days, some of the attendees looked like they were gonna pee their pants.

The plain fact is that even though there have been position papers and expert forums since the fall of 2001 discussing the FACT that America would and could be paralyzed by determined attacks on our Emergency Medicine infrastructure, NO ONE has taken even the first rudimentary steps toward securing our nation's ER's. The Charlie Foxtrot that happened at Dallas Parkside will inevitably be repeated, and I predict MANY times, before the Powers That Be get their heads out of their collective ass and mandate (and fund) a true emergency preparedness program for our nation's hospitals.

A lot of us have yelled until we're hoarse about the illegal problem and yet the government is going full throttle in the opposite direction. I think a whole lot of people think it's a really big deal and are against it, but are just yelled out.

Well said.

I read a great quote about Tuberculosis the other day: "TB is Ebola with wings."

If you consider the growing prevalence of antibiotic-resistant TB, particularly in Russia and eastern Europe, and the kind of havoc it could wreak here in North America, that's not far from the truth.

Resistant TB in Russia is killing 80-90% of infected persons, but it doesn't do so in days like Ebola does, and it doesn't come from Darkest Africa, so we don't get hysterical about it.

Oh, well. One of these days I'll be able to say with a smug attitude, "I told you so." Unless I'm already dead, of course.

Doc,

I'm glad guys like you are on top of this. It sure beats sticking one's head in the sand, and ass in the air as Obama and Loco have shown doesn't do much to thwart the virus here.

BTW, Loco, I failed to see much panic at all. I just saw lots of coverage and people responding to the coverage by demanding why the govt. was not willing or prepared to protect it's citizens.

A consensus of Infectious Disease specialists from the CDC, WHO, and other I.D. centers selects the strains of flu for immunization, based on the prevalence of specific types of Flu A and B seen last year and strains seen in Asia in the past 6 months.

They do a pretty good job of predicting, most years.

They also rely on the probability that folks immunized against specific strains last year and the year before that are still immune to those strains, so the overall "herd" immunity is going to be pretty high against the "old" virus strains.

I got mine Monday and I figure with it and staying away from sick people the best that I can, I will be OK. I always figured Dr. office and Hospitals were the most likely place to catch the flu, so I avoid them if at all possible. miles

Bingo. Objecting to what's not being done isn't panic.

The feds are just screening at the five airports for symptoms, right?

If you're coming from Liberia, show no symptoms, you're allowed through and then you can develop symptoms later at your destination in, say, Houston or Atlanta?

Indeed. One of the other good places to get sick is at a gunshow. There's always some assclown coughing on you at one.

Agreed.

Yes. And neither is putting some low-cost preparations in place just in case, especially if those preparations are non-specific enough that they can be used anyway even if the threat doesn't develop. I guess the guys that are laughing about "panic" probably don't insure their houses.

I didn't notice any "hysteria"...I did notice a lot of people being mad about bringing in active cases into the U.S. & the one person who did come here with an undiagnosed case did make two nurses sick...I also don't think that putting travel bans or quarantines on people who have spent time in any of the "hot zones" or have been treating patients should be considered "hysterical"...it's just common sense. Ebola is some nasty schitt. Seen a report last night that it's still raging out of control over in Liberia. It can still happen here & this ebola outbreak is far from over...

I presume there's some form of public health followup on persons coming in with visas from west African countries on these flights, but who knows?

And we still have no assurances that folks who fly from Liberia to Germany and then to the USA are being screened at all.

So, yeah, it's a token effort by the Feds, I think, but at least it shows that they're recognizing that the citizens are NOT happy with their bungling of the situation so far and they're trying to show that they're doing SOMEthing. I am personally and professionally more gratified to see that more dollars, equipment, and personnel are being sent to west Africa to clean up the outbreak over there, which is where the REAL danger to the USA and the world lies.

On a brighter local note, my little local hospital out here in BFE has been notified that we will be receiving two (2) biohazard suits some time in the future for our ER staff to use in the event of an Ebola victim showing up here. Never mind that if he comes into our ER, our whole hospital will be basically shut down for 2-5 days... sheesh. We have a bunch of maroons running this country.

I'm with u rancho.

Still in panic mode here

Reason u can't hear me scream is cause I lost my voice

Expect screaming 2 resume

Particularly if my 5000 lbs of beans aren't delivered

Exactly.

If they are delivered, we can hear you for sure!

Most here in Korea where masks anyway, except this dumazz...

A few recent examples:
Ebola Is Airborne
Ebola Scare Creates "UTTER PANIC" on Caribbean Cruise Ship!
Who Claims the Real Incubation Period on Ebola is 42 Days NOT 21

^^^^This^^^^

I posted a couple of those and I can guarantee you I am not hysterical. I gave no endorsement of either article, yet felt like when they were posted in the MSM they deserved to be perused here for informational purposes and also so some of us could hear what medical pros like Doc and others had to say about them. The first article is somewhat of a misrepresentation. The third article, not so much. The second article is a discussion of the hysteria in the media, IIRC.

Discussion on an internet forum is panic?

Good grief!

Panic is rampant speculation that half the world is abut to die. Panic is rampant speculation that Ebola will magically be the first recorded virus to spontaneously go from blood borne to airborne without a single example of it ever happening, much less an example of a virus radically changing and maintaining virulence and lethality. Panic is demanding a lockdown on borders without the first example of it ever stopping any infectious disease.

The best medicine is always the right thng at the right time.

Expecting medical professionals, however good they may be, to catch the first example of something new the first time they look at it is really ridiculous. Expecting medical professionals to believe what their patients tell them instead of their own years of rigorous training to follow a very disciplined procedure is ridiculous.

That training and discipline entails a degree of risk for small problems like we have seen in Dallas, but prevents bigger doses of stupid from doing greater harm by wasting effort and resources. It has worked and worked very, very well so far. That training and discipline is bringing the West African outbreak into control and offering the prospect of serologic combat and vaccine. That progress has come from working with live vaccine, working with infected individuals and doing so outside of the affected region. It is not only their best hope, it is our best hope as well.

Ignorant panic like we have seen here is what is responsible for the dismantling of our health care system to the point where WE are now vulnerable to a much, much greater degree than we have been in perhaps a century. That's remarkable in the extreme when you consider how poorly trained our physicians and health care professional were then compared to now.

The right thing at the right time. Wasting effort and resources accepting less than that is so unbelievably short sighted as to boggle the mind. The right thing to do now, is obviously to put as much as we can into extinguishing this fire as quickly as possible. Wasting resources on feel good solutions is a direct harm.

Ignorant people who don't believe in vaccination have no place in this discussion and should be stood up for who/what they are every time they open their yap.

On this we agree.

Aside from that, to expect that our government and national as well as international health agencies to have a plan isn't unreasonable.

For Christ's sake, they had months is not longer to prepare and have a plan to maximize the safety of the citizens of this country. When Ebola came here, it only represented how much of a failure the entire system was, and the negligence of the Obama administration to take even the slightest responsibility to do anything other than follow their PC, liberal agenda.

At this late date, the borders remain unchecked and open, on all fronts, and the flights that even 3rd world countries recognize as needing some sort of regulation are still landing.

We may not all be M.D.'s, but I assure you, we are not stupid.

What worries me the most about this virus is that it has the potential to be used as a weapon,They say that it's not air born,but it can live for a long time outside the body.It could be smuggled into the country nearly as easily as herion.

^ here you go Rancho, hysteria isn't dead after all.

The government was worried about this very thing right after 9-11. They were concerned about an infected terrorist doing a suicide belt in a crowded location. Concern is not panic fat dumb and happy can get you dead. How many here carry concealed They are prepared not panic stricken.

I figure with this being something that takes a few days for people to start showing symptoms from that if it was ever used as a weapon the terriorist wouldn't do anything like a suicide belt.They would try to get as many people infected before panic sat in.They would probaly hit buffet style resturants in major cities .

Something I had thought about before we had one case here yet. A dozen jihadists slip into Western Africa for a few days to become infected, then slip out and then head to the US and come in through the unprotected southern border and head to major cities. Once they start feeling the disease come on, take mass transit and attend some crowded events. Come in contact with as many people as they can and leave body fluids wherever they can before it incapacitates them, then let nature take her course.

So all the right wing talking head son talk radio stirred people up into a frenzy over this NON FREAKING EVENT!

This was specifically to generate some sort of buzz before an election, and possibly get more people out to vote and vote Republican.

REGARDLESS of what the White House did, there would have been massive criticism. They are physically unable to give credit to the President under any circumstance, and certainly not before an election. (not that I'm an Obama fan, I just have a shred of integrity)


Travel - Had the president started out with a travel ban, the Republicans would have criticized how it would have hampered the relief efforts.

Quarantine - Understand that it takes a declaration of a disaster to forcibly quarantine, so it couldn't have been done before that, and that declaration had to come from the Governor of Texas. It eventually did come, but it was pretty much after all the damage had been done.

But let's say they did quarantine right off the bat. Republicans would have lambasted the White House for forcibly detaining people who had not been tested positive against their will.

No matter what the White House did, I guaran-freaking-tee you, Republicans would have found fault this close to an election.

The whole thing was political, no one actually gave a CRAP about any of the patients except for their healthcare workers.

Easier

Snake

I think you need to read up on viruses and biological weapons in general. In the history of virology, no virus has ever mutated from bloodborne to airborne, either by natural mutation or man made mutation. Because it can be contracted from someone sneezing on you, does not make it airborne, not even close.

Not only that, both chemical and biological weapons are VERY difficult to manufacture in a way that they can be distributed as a weapon. This is why we haven't seen large use of chemical or biological weapons, very few nations have the expertise to actually weaponize an toxin.

It's just not an easy thing to do. Building nukes is FAR easier than making truly effective bio weapons.

The freakshow never disappoints..

Two secondary infections and the names of everyone potentially exposed ain't half bad work when it comes to an infectious disease. Quarantine of the most likely exposed with no downstream infections not only not half bad, it's flat freaking outstanding. It goes well beyond what could be best hoped for in a country with the individual rights we have and the ungodly stupid dismantling of our public health care system we have been engaged in sine about 1980.

Government normally gets in the way of that kind of work. That they did not manage to dick that effort up is quite surprising. They maybe could have done better, but the results are pretty damn hard to argue with. It went right, it went spectacularly right. Everyone has learned how to make it go even better next time.

I'll take that in a heart beat.

And how many millions did each patient cost the healthcare system?
If they did stop it the cost would be worth it. If not how much can our system afford?

Would have been a bit cheaper just to take measures to keep it out of country to begin with.

Miles, I agree with the good job they did in identifying those exposed. If in fact they DID identify all those exposed. They kept it contained, which is another plus.

It sure beats casting the dying victims out in the street as they have been known to do in Africa. The guy that brought it here can vouch that that method doesn't work.

It's damage control for ze row. Like searching wheel chair grannies at the airport.

It's so if SHTF the Afreakan can say we did 'the best we can'.

Yeah, ze row hero Bill Ayers never wrote in his book how the govt needs to take out 18 million Americans and we know ze row is truthful in doing the best he can for America. Nah, he wouldn't lie about that, would he?

And here I thought only sac and nwa believed all he had to say.

Just because he's too stupid to realize importing illegals with TB could hurt Americans doesn't mean he would harm us on purpose.

Sure, a few million bucks added here and there to shut this down in the US is chicken feed, well, to Dimocraps anyway. We should probably bring more Africans over here and treat them for free.

Obama is sending at least 3000 Petri dishes to Liberia with round trip tickets.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/01/military-goes-to-africa-ebola-mission/16526873/

Indeed.

That's not my point, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anything that has transpired. This was a political "gimme" for the Republicans, and they took the ball and ran with it. I know it's just politics, but it still just disgusts me. I guess asking for some integrity from political leaders just isn't being realistic.

And don't get me wrong, if a republican was in office, the Dems would have done the same damm thing.

true words there Kevin, true words indeed.


have long said, if either side of the aisle came up with a cure for cancer, the other side would be telling us it was a bad deal, or they should have done it sooner, yada, yada, yada


they all need to be hung by their toes from the cherry trees

Looking at ho much Homeland security is costing us and how little they have accomplished, I am very certain we do not want to start trying to accomplish what no other nation on earth has ever accomplished and hand over the money that will cost.

Quarantine will work and we can get that done for pennies by comparison. Quarantine without helping the countries involved to put out the fire cannot work and will eventually get real expensive.

I stated that It's NOT airborn,but can live a long time outside the body.It could be smuggled in liquid form,and used to contaminate food either in a restaurant,or produce section of the grocery store..It dosn't take the expertise you think.Have you ever heard of a pox blanket,or the method of catipulting diseased corpses into a castle under seize?.

Comparing homeland security cost to the cost the one african ebola patient cost isn't valid.

Homeland security is government funded.
The Expense for this ebola case and future cases we be on the hospital and the various citizens put in quarantine and every other citizen through raised insurance premiums ec...

What do you think the cost was to the airline the infected nurse flew on?
How about the apartment complex owner, were the african stayed with family?

How about the government fulfills one of it's primary responsibilities of protecting it's citizens?

A travel ban would have and will prevent much of this.

Business in the U.S. are under enough pressure with tax's, poor economy etc...
This is the last thing they need.

Imagine thousand's of potential ebola cases, or maybe just flu cases, that are treated as ebola until they find out what they are dealing with.
All this is no problem to the liberals, after all we are the richest country in the world! the lib's will be the end of us at this rate.

The context of what I said was in the comparison of erecting a barrier at the borders to a disease.

anyone who understood anything about the US could mess this place up, totally, in a month, with just a dozen men doing what they were taught to do, with each one acting by himself. Nobody would know who they were, what they looked like, much less where they were or be able to stop it.

you talk about 'government funded' as though it does not come from 'various citizens'

but most amusing is the cry from supposed conservitives for .gov to exercise more control/restrictions in order to 'protect it's citizens'. I suppose North Korea would be a model here

If we knew how many dollars that Bastid really ended up costing us, we would probably have something for real 'hysteria'. Libs, not so much. They are smart and know we can just turn on the printing presses.

You surely understand that individuals bearing the financial burden is more damaging than the government?

Hell the government spent 360k teaching mountain lions to use a
treadmill!
Controlling our borders is far different than controlling it's
citizens!

With your flawed logic and others like you, no wonder this country is in so much trouble

one more time, where do you think the .gov's money comes from?

and just who is getting hit by travel restrictions? Citizens maybe?

just wow...

I figure travel restrictions are helping them.

Stupidity, as you prove, knows no borders.

the classic liberty vs. security thing...

Kim Jong-un must be your hero

Toad,
Of course the government money comes from the productive people of this country!
The travel restrictions can be targeted towards people with visa's from ebola infected countries.
Try and keep up, ok?

Again because you seem to have a problem keeping up, controlling the borders is different than controlling the citizens, key word being citizens! get it?

It goes over his head.

The fact that national security is one of the few duties the federal government actually does have is irrelevant.

yep, there's a bug out there. cry 'National Security'. laffin' here... what about U.S. citizens returning from Africa? they will not be 'restricted'?

So you must be for open borders?
I suspect we have flushed out another campfire liberal?
Let me guess you get a check from the government?

the only .gov money I've had was earned fighting wildland fires, and I've never voted democrat in my life.

but, by now I suppose you are used to guessing wrong....

once again, if the government is screwing up everything it touches, don't expect it to manage a travel ban very well.

Yep they screwed that up along with almost everything else.
It's their responsibility though.

So lets elect a competent government.
If the gov. doesn't enforce borders, who does?

Because they are unable to do their job, what do we do?
Let illegal immigrants in? Let people from Sierra leone,Liberia etc.. who may have an infectious disease in?

Would you invite them in your home?
Your logic and Toads logic confuses me?

there you go guessing again. I said nothing about letting illegal immigrants in.

I was responding to Rancho's post.
No guessing involved.
Your logic does have me guessing what your agenda is though?

Yeah, and IQ too.

Great post.

My thought exactly.

dont'cha have a 'shower gun' to bag up tonight?

you guys crying for more government control of U.S. citizens, calling me a liberal cracks me up...

Hey, dimwit, asking the Federal Government to do one of the very few things it was actually empowered and authorized to do is the opposite of liberal.

Toad,
You are being dishonest.
I have drawn a distinction several times, clarifying the difference between citizens and immigrants, illegal or otherwise. Yet you choose to ignore that?

You logic and arguments are typical of liberals, funny thing about many liberals is they usually deny it.

do you think U.S.citizens movements will not be restricted?

but it's for our own good, right?

and I'm the liberal?

again, wow.

If a U.S. citizen is returning from an ebola infected country it would be prudent to screen and possibly quarantine them until the epidemic is over.
What's hard to understand about that?
The alternative is to let them through with no restriction, then possibly find out later they have been infected and then the rodeo starts.
Do you think it was wrong to quarantine the film crew that had an infected member?
Again your logic is confusing?

Maybe. We should know more in 12 hours or so..

New York City Doctor Who Treated Eb... To Hospital With High Fever - Huff Post

Yep, the movie intermission is officially over. We are far from the end.

Doctor Tests Positive for Ebola in New York City

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eb...sts-positive-ebola-new-york-city-n232801[i][/i]

Panic!

Even some informed medical professionals are not taking this seriously. People potentially exposed to the virus seem to have an exaggerated sense of personal security, and are not vigilant to signs and symptoms. If ya can't trust medical people to self-
quarantine, then maybe a bit of panic is warranted. The DR from NY, did isolate himself, but that's the exception.