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It's time for a rcamuglia/Formidilosus unknown distance shootout! Kidding...
So - if there's an 18" (horns not body) antelope at an unknown range, but out like 600-700 meters, no LRF handy. A guy is better off mils, moa, FFP, or SFP? None of it matters. In that situation you're going to miss. A lot. Both MOA and mils work. Just that people pick up how to run it with mils faster and easier. Probably because they aren't trying to constantly equate everything to inches. Both work. Both are effective, one is just about 50 times more common and has the benefit of being broken down into tenths which our brain prefers.
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Thanks. Can you recommend some kind of 'primer' type info on using a mil/mil setup, hunting related preferably?
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As long as you have your drop chart in mils, reticle in mils, and turret in mils, life is good, and simple. Same-same for MOA.
Lase, dial, shoot.
The reticle is just a different 'ruler' to measure corrections that can either be applied to the turrets, or held via reticle holdoff, without the need to convert any units of measure.
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As long as you have your drop chart in mils, reticle in mils, and turret in mils, life is good, and simple. Same-same for MOA.
Lase, dial, shoot.
The reticle is just a different 'ruler' to measure corrections that can either be applied to the turrets, or held via reticle holdoff, without the need to convert any units of measure. Shane, Sort of. Some of us use the reticle for in field measurements. The outside (or inside) spread of a buck or bulls rack is measured in inches and MOA works better for that. Holding in 1/2 MOA increments is as close as possible for most of us on a wind hold and is easier than 1/10 mil holds. Both can work but MOA is better for a hunting optic, at least in my opinion. I like to lay inches down at yards and MOA does a good job in that realm.
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1 Moa = 1" @ 100 yds
have we already beat that horse?
You might have already beat it.........but MOA is not the same as IPHY. this topic is flawed from the start.  And if you want to get really picky, for a fixed horizontal distance, the second vertical increment to produce the second MOA of deflection is bigger than the first, the third increment bigger than the second, and so on.
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I can see where moa would be faster for calculating inches of antler spread.
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Why not do centimeters of antler spread, however many meters away? 
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Yes, or decimeters. We'd all be Euro cool.
Went to a welding shop and asked to have a metal frame made, 20x50cm... They said, "we don't got no centimeters here." May have been Wyoming, or more likely SE Oregon....
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You guys have all been very helpful with my barrage of questions. It's not easy to make an intelligent decision if you lack the intelligence.
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.........but MOA is not the same as IPHY. this topic is flawed from the start. Ok, what is IPHY?
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Inch per hundred yards.
1 MOA = 1.047" at 100 yards
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You guys have all been very helpful with my barrage of questions. It's not easy to make an intelligent decision if you lack the intelligence.
Let me help you a smidge if I may. It doesn't matter which you pick. Travis
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Thanks. Can you recommend some kind of 'primer' type info on using a mil/mil setup, hunting related preferably? Check out the optics forum....
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Thanks. I see the light! LOL
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One of the best resources on the web for all the sight units is found at What's MOA. Mils and other units are included down the page along with videos from the National Shooting Sports Foundation. Here's an excerpt: In practical terms the radius is the distance from the gun to the target and a change of 1 milliradian (MRad) changes the impact point of a bullet by 1/1,000 the distance to the target. If the target is 1,000 feet away a change of 1 MRad changes the impact point of a bullet by 1 foot. If the target is 1,000 yards away a change of 1 MRad changes the impact point of a bullet by 1 yard. If the target is 1,000 meters away a change of 1 MRad changes the impact point of a bullet by 1 meter. If the target is 500 meters away a change of 1 MRad changes the impact point of a bullet by 1/2 meter. The exact 1 to 1,000 ratio between impact change and range to the target in whatever units you use for range makes doing the math in your head relatively simple.
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As long as you have your drop chart in mils, reticle in mils, and turret in mils, life is good, and simple. Same-same for MOA.
Lase, dial, shoot.
The reticle is just a different 'ruler' to measure corrections that can either be applied to the turrets, or held via reticle holdoff, without the need to convert any units of measure. Shane, Sort of. Some of us use the reticle for in field measurements. The outside (or inside) spread of a buck or bulls rack is measured in inches and MOA works better for that. Holding in 1/2 MOA increments is as close as possible for most of us on a wind hold and is easier than 1/10 mil holds. Both can work but MOA is better for a hunting optic, at least in my opinion. I like to lay inches down at yards and MOA does a good job in that realm. MILLS works just as well, your 1/3 MOA is very close to .3 MILLS. I use .3 MILLS as approximately 1 inch per hundred yards. .3 MILLS is actually 1.074 inches @ 100 yards.
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When in doubt, [bleep] the metric system.
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