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A cougar hunt gone wrong

by Ed Godfrey
The Oklahoman
Published: October 19, 2014

Oklahoma City attorney Jason Roselius never expected his cougar hunt to make
the front page of a New Mexico newspaper.

Nor did he expect it to lead to the resignation of the chairman of New Mexico�s
Game and Fish Commission.

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A mountain lion hunt earlier this year in New Mexico
didn�t go as planned for Oklahoma City attorney Jason
Roselius. AP photo California Dept. of Fish and Game


He was just trying to strike an item off his bucket list when he went on a
mountain lion hunt last February in New Mexico.

�I stepped into a political crossfire,� Roselius said.

The cougar case

Roselius killed a cougar on the hunt, but it was later confiscated by New
Mexico Game and Fish. He was originally charged with two misdemeanor
counts in New Mexico of unlawful hunting and hunting without the proper
license.

Even though Roselius had bought a cougar license, he had failed to buy the
general New Mexico hunting license, which also was required.

Roselius thought he had purchased all of the licenses required on the New
Mexico Game and Fish website. He bought the big game cougar license but
said the website did not direct him to buy an additional general hunting
license.

�I didn�t know I needed it,� he said.

Roselius said he later discovered that failure was the result of a computer
glitch, but he also called New Mexico Game and Fish before the hunt to double
check on the licenses.

�We called the state that day and went over everything,� Roselius said. �We
were told we had everything we needed.�

The unlawful hunting charge stemmed from dogs being released to track the
cougar before Roselius even arrived to the New Mexico ranch.

Under New Mexico hunting regulations, a hunter must be present continuously
once any dog is released.

Roselius said when he arrived in Tucumari, N.M., he met the ranch owner at a
McDonald�s and then they drove to the ranch.

The ranch owner had dogs in the back of his truck and when they got to the
ranch, he released them and they immediately started hunting.

�I have never hunted behind hounds,� Roselius said he told the rancher at the
time. �This is my first mountain lion hunt. Don�t let me get hurt. Don�t let me
get in trouble.�

They began to trail the dogs up a mountain to begin the hunt and later fell in
with another group of guides and dogs who had tracked and cornered a
cougar in a cave.

Roselius said he crawled on his belly down a hole to get a shot at the cougar
and was worried about getting mauled.

�I hadn�t been that scared in a long time,� he said. �The only thing going
through my mind was don�t miss the shot. I had a single shot .243 with no
scope.�

He didn�t. He was excited to bag a cougar and tipped the guides another
$3,500 above the $5,500 he had paid for the hunt.

After checking in the cougar, game wardens discovered the snafu about the
license and started asking more questions about the hunt and who was
involved.

When asked, Roselius admitted that he did not personally see all of the dogs
released and did not know that was a violation of the hunting regulations.

He also did not know until earlier that day that the rancher, Scott Bidegain, also
was chairman of New Mexico�s Game and Fish Commission.

�This wasn�t about me,� Roselius said. �It was about Scott Bidegain.�

The political fallout

Roselius said he booked the hunt on the Bidegain family�s T4 cattle ranch near
Tucumcari at the suggestion of a friend of his father�s.

Bidegain and three others also were charged with unlawful hunting for
releasing dogs without the hunter present.

Because Bidegain was chairman of the New Mexico Game and Fish
Commission, the case received widespread publicity.

�It�s on the front page of the Albuquerque News. It�s in the London Times,�
Roselius said. �It�s all over the world in two days.�

At the time, Bidegain already was under fire for taking part and winning money
in a coyote-killing contest in Nevada. Nine conservation groups had called on
the governor of New Mexico to remove him.

Bidegain resigned in February, shortly after the cougar hunt, even before the
misdemeanor charge against him for unlawful hunting was filed.

Roselius pleaded no contest in May to unlawful hunting and received a $500
fine. The other charge was dropped after he completed 90 days of
unsupervised probation.

Roselius said he made a mistake by not buying the underlying license, but that
he would never intentionally violate a hunting law. He feels the media reports
in New Mexico unfairly portrayed him as an unethical hunter.

Roselius said someone even made a complaint against him to the Oklahoma
Bar Association over the cougar case.

�It�s not as hard to commit a game and fish violation as some people think,� he
said.

Roselius trusted the guides to know the hunting regulations.

�If I was going to go up there by myself on horseback, I would probably have
command of all these rules,� he said. �I thought I knew all of them, but I also
relied on the guides. I paid them a bunch of money.�

Robert Fleenor, head of law enforcement for the Oklahoma Department of
Wildlife Conservation, said hunters are expected to know and comply with all
regulations even when hunting with a guide.

He recommends hunters call the local game warden in the area they will be
hunting to make sure about regulations and licensing or to check out a guide.

�We would much rather keep somebody out of trouble,� Fleenor said. �They
(hunters) wear the phone out up here, which is okay. I don�t want someone
getting in trouble through ignorance.�

Roselius, an avid shooter and gun collector, hasn�t picked up a gun since
killing the cougar.

�I haven�t fired a shot since,� he said. �It�s been such a distasteful experience.�


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He was excited to bag a cougar and tipped the guides another
$3,500 above the $5,500 he had paid for the hunt.




my kind of client grin


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Originally Posted by watch4bear
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He was excited to bag a cougar and tipped the guides another
$3,500 above the $5,500 he had paid for the hunt.




my kind of client grin


Think they had plied him with several Hot Toddies by then? wink


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Opened this up and thought it would be a tale about Flave and Shrap out cruising.


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I'm sure the game wardens will love getting to talk to all prospective nonresident hunters now about their freaking prospective hunt for a frigging varmint.



Robert Fleenor, head of law enforcement for the Oklahoma Department of
Wildlife Conservation, said hunters are expected to know and comply with all
regulations even when hunting with a guide.

He recommends hunters call the local game warden in the area they will be
hunting to make sure about regulations and licensing or to check out a guide.

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Originally Posted by OrangeOkie
Roselius said he later discovered that failure was the result of a computer glitch, but he also called New Mexico Game and Fish before the hunt to double
check on the licenses
.

�We called the state that day and went over everything,� Roselius said. �We
were told we had everything we needed.�


This part caught my eye. Of course, I would always assume that game-specific tags would be in addition to a resident/non-resident hunting license and inquire accordingly.



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Freaking game regs in Dimocrap controlled states are so complicated nowadays most who haven't applied for many years and developed their skills as the process became less user friendly don't bother to mess with the hunting/licensing process.

I can make it through the app process usually for a deer draw chance in NM but haven't been able to figure out the process for trying for an antelope tag on ranches or how to have a clue as to what other hunters I may be competing against on a parcel with possibly limited opportunity. It saves time, headache, heartburn, misery, confusion and money to buy mutton ready for the grill.


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OP, as for the post, a cougar is dead in a land which once had one tenth the cougars and ten times the deer, so AFAIC it was a good kill other than too little and too late.

I hunted over in those foothills a few years ago for elk in archery season. Saw several elk, two bear, three m lion and no deer.

I went back two years ago to observe and hunt cougar and coyote. Again, no deer seen in several days of what once was great deer country, until NM Game became essentially protectors of ML above all other creatures.

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Lots of regulations are easy to break, like proof of sex attached to carcass, transporting regulations, punching the wrong river system on the salmon tag, etc doesn't make a person unethical. BUT, hunting anywhere without a hunting license, pretty basic stuff. I would think any avid hunter would know that.


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license?


we don't need no steenking license


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Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by OrangeOkie
Roselius said he later discovered that failure was the result of a computer glitch, but he also called New Mexico Game and Fish before the hunt to double
check on the licenses
.

�We called the state that day and went over everything,� Roselius said. �We
were told we had everything we needed.�


This part caught my eye. Of course, I would always assume that game-specific tags would be in addition to a resident/non-resident hunting license and inquire accordingly.



A lot of states don't have it separate. All you buy is the license and it comes with the tags. Easy mistake to make if you aren't familiar with the states that separate it out to make more money.


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Otoh, Fire, have you ever heard of a reputable guide not checking to see if a clients tag and license were in order before the hunt? The guy was a pretty good tipper for being a tightwad who wanted to stiff the state for a few.


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Had a group from the fire hunting with me on Kodiak and they had gotten their licenses in the Kodiak Wal-Mart. I had given specific directions that included getting the FREE harvest tags to go with the ~$150 non-resident locking tags and licenses.

The Wal-Mart employee told them they did not need the harvest tickets so they did not get them. This was not discovered until we were WAY out of town and there was a dead deer on board.

Wal-Mart refunded every dime they had paid for licenses... But they were mighty close to breaking a bunch more laws without knowing it. Every state has different rules and they get mighty confusing at times.

Never underestimate the ability of any fish and game type department to do some really stupid, really complicated schit!!!!! And the easier it would be to do it right the more likely it is they will do it wrong!


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Sounds to me like the guy broke plenty of laws, whether he knew it or not. The investigation may be political payback, but it sounds like the guide/landowner had it coming to him as he wasn't making much attempt to keep his client above-board.

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Originally Posted by 338Rem
Opened this up and thought it would be a tale about Flave and Shrap out cruising.


If shrap and I are involved, it can't go wrong.



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It's pathetic our state governments waste so much time on this schit.

No license? Great. Stand in front of the judge. Pay a fugging fine. Get your fugging trophy. Go fugging home.




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NM G&F causes most of their own misery.

The game laws there are confusing at the very least. They are stacks and stacks of partisan legislation from years of conservative/liberal power plays that are passed with emotions and politics, and have not much to do with proper game management.

Aside from the clusterfugg of game laws, having a department that is totally funded by license sales and gets no money from the state budget is conflicting in itself.

It would be like paying the highway patrol based on how many tickets they can write. That's not serving the public interest...


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Confisicate the Cougar for not having a license, but he has a tag? Whatever happened to a citation for a couple of hundred bucks. I am so glad I live in the South where we don't have to put up with quite so much BS.

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Originally Posted by Fireball2
hunting anywhere without a hunting license, pretty basic stuff. I would think any avid hunter would know that.


That was my first thought.

That,,, and I'm having trouble feeling sorry for an attorney.

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