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A limber isn't even close to a Mauser 98. I know. It's lighter....
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And in addition it's not even close to a 98.
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Someone asked about a lighter, modern version.
Which lighter, modern version is yours?
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It really was ahead of its time! By the way excellent article.
Last edited by elkhunternm; 10/31/14.
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The kimber shares virtually no desgign features with a 98. I dont know how to be more clear. The only lighter version I am aware of is Stuart Satterlees TI action.
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The common clothing zipper:
In 1851, Elias Howe received a patent for an "Automatic, Continuous Clothing Closure".
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I have to ask the same thing I asked Battue when he said "the automobile." Exactly which pre-1900 wheel is still considered the absolute best today?
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John you got me there....my answer was non responsive
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I'd guess the lever is the oldest "mechanical" device. Either that or the toothpick, though it's sort of a very short lever.
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This has been very interesting, partly because (per usual) most of the people who've posted haven't read the article.
I probably should have specifically mentioned "complex" mechanical devices, but space is always at a premium in magazine articles these days, and I thought my list of other devices would make my point plain. If we really want to be sticklers, probably the oldest human-made device still considered the best for the purpose is the club, and millions are still made every year, whether in the form of baseball bats, golf clubs or nunchuks.
One of several points made in the article is that shooters are STILL spending money to convert old 98 Mauser military actions into custom hunting rifles, whether "using" rifles for hard knocks in the wilderness, or rifles made by famous semi-artists with stocks of the fanciest walnut.
Very few people do that with old Model 94 Winchesters, and as we have seen here, there isn't anywhere near as much agreement about exactly which lever action is "best," even among Winchester addicts. The suggestion that the 1873 Colt is the best single-action ever is even more debatable.
While the Savage 99 is a great lever-action (and demonstrably "better" in many ways than any of the outside-hammer, tube magazine lever-actions, whether made by Winchester or not), it isn't even made anymore. 98 Mausers are, and most of the essential parts of new 98's interchangeable with those in the actions of original military rifles--and you can't rebuild old Dover eggbeaters with parts from those sold in Wal-Mart. I guess my point is not which is the best ever, but the lasting impact is similar. I would also guess there could be a good debate as to the 98 being the best bolt action available today, as there have been modified versions that certainly eclipse the original. The Colt still functions and works reliably today without modifications the same as the 98 Mauser. Improvements is a term that can be loosely used in either case, but as they were originally designed, they both perform well... I gotta ask... Which bolt action do you consider to be better than a 98, as a HUNTING rifle?
What fresh Hell is this?
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Well....all I know is I never should have read the article because now it has me all lathered up to find a nice Mauser. I haven't had one in a long time.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Another here.
laissez les bons temps rouler
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Toilet paper. Toilet paper rolls were patented in 1883. Nothing better yet.... No comparison Worth every penny of the increased cost.
Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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battue you are such a rifle slut!
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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its always interesting and entertaining to compare action designs. Another way to compare is to look at a part by part comparison of the primary action components and rate and compare them. Too me, the primary components would be as follows although I might have forgot some:
1) receiver design 2) smoothness of feeding 3) breeching and gas handling 4) extractor design 5) ejector design and location 6) safety design and function 7) trigger design and function 8) floorplate function 9) bolt ( is it one piece or fabricated with 2 or more pieces)
I would say that for # 1, 2,5, 6, 7, and 9 the old model 70 rates pretty high.
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I like to think of myself as more of a tramp.
laissez les bons temps rouler
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