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Got one a few weeks ago. When the math starts adding up and with a decent trade in, hard to pass one up!

Overall, nice truck, gas mileage seems to be better then expected. Some things bug me about it though...

1.) What the hell is the deal with shutting off cylinders constantly? Every time I look at the DIC, the damn thing says V4. It's a total puss in V4 too, then when you give it more gas it will kick back into V8. I hate this and want to figure a way to program it off the computer. If that's how they want to make nice gas mileage, fooey!

2.) 8.5q oil pan on the 5.3 engine.

3.) I like to run a board width wise in my bed to keep things in place. You know the two slots on each side? The slots are only about 8" from the front of the bed and the back slots about the same from the tailgate...useless!

There's other things, but I figured I would stop now before the Ford and Dodge boys chime in mad

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8.5 qts to allow for oil loss.

(Sorry, wife ad an 07 model known for mysterious oil loss)

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Never had any oil leak issues with GM trucks spanning the past 45 years, but WTH? That covers inline sixes and assorted V8s going back to the 283.

Looked at some "left over" 2014 Silverados yesterday. Fairly good selection in our area with most dealers, but dropping rapidly. I suspect the current offers of up to $9500 off sticker price is having an effect on inventories?

Might get me one yet?

My 2010 Z71 has that fuel computer doohickus, but since it doesn't show up on the driver info readout, never bothered me none. It is also useless if ya live in hilly terrain like I do.


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Picking up my "leftover" 2014 up later today. Finally decided I couldn't pass up that much of a discount while there was still a decent selection of 1500s around to choose from.

Financed part of this deal like I did the one in 2010, but the interest rate is about half it was back then and the payments are $45 less. Retired now, days of paying cash for a new truck have passed.

Double cab "all star edition" 4x4 w/trailer package. More bells'n whistles on this one than on my 2010.

BTW, those cross bed slots you mentioned are identical in spacing to the ones in the bed of my 2010. My only gripe is that I liked the way the back doors opened better on my old truck, than with the new one.


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Sounds nice dube. The discounts are crazy for sure. There's a lot of nice features. I traded in my 2005 Silverado towards this one. This slots were about double the depth they are now. I added wheel well liners to the back, something the factory should have done IMO.

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Mine came with those liners installed. Needed item, since my 2010 had a bad habit of throwing mud into the back of the tailight housings through the dumbarsed vent slots in the wheel box. My trucks see lots of use on gravel roads and mud is a PITA.

Happy so far, still trying to sort out all them friggin' bells and whistles that my old truck did not have. They could've left most of that crap outta there for an ol' goat like me, but apparently all pickups are now laden with such high tech gizmos?

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Originally Posted by swag
Got one a few weeks ago. When the math starts adding up and with a decent trade in, hard to pass one up!

Overall, nice truck, gas mileage seems to be better then expected. Some things bug me about it though...

1.) What the hell is the deal with shutting off cylinders constantly? Every time I look at the DIC, the damn thing says V4. It's a total puss in V4 too, then when you give it more gas it will kick back into V8. I hate this and want to figure a way to program it off the computer. If that's how they want to make nice gas mileage, fooey!

2.) 8.5q oil pan on the 5.3 engine.

3.) I like to run a board width wise in my bed to keep things in place. You know the two slots on each side? The slots are only about 8" from the front of the bed and the back slots about the same from the tailgate...useless!

There's other things, but I figured I would stop now before the Ford and Dodge boys chime in mad

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GM guys know to avoid Lambs and Furds, so it all kinda evens out. I figure the primary reason for the F150 selling more pickups each year, relates to why we have Obumble in the White House:

Low information voters. Low information truck buyers. whistle

And then there's that Remington vs Winchester thing that's been around fer a spell. Blondes, brunettes or redheads and so on.

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BTW, I see that Chrysler/Fiat is recalling a few hundred thousand (2010 to 2014?) Cummins powered Lambs for faulty fuel heaters that might could cause fuel leaks, mebbe fires? 'Sposed to look if ya smell fuel.

Best part, they're not sending recall notices out until sometime in DECEMBER!

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Originally Posted by Cheesy
8.5 qts to allow for oil loss.

(Sorry, wife ad an 07 model known for mysterious oil loss)


I have an '07 model that had the same thing. (Almost all '07's had the oil problem) I fought with the Dealer over it, did my research and told them "I know all about the piston and ring fix that you don't want us to know about so either you fix it or you can keep it and I will buy elsewhere.

They fixed it by installing new pistons and rings. Some people were not so fortunate and had to live with the "losing a quart per month is acceptable" line.


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Originally Posted by dubePA
GM guys know to avoid Lambs and Furds, so it all kinda evens out. I figure the primary reason for the F150 selling more pickups each year, relates to why we have Obumble in the White House:

Low information voters. Low information truck buyers. whistle

And then there's that Remington vs Winchester thing that's been around fer a spell. Blondes, brunettes or redheads and so on.

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BTW, I see that Chrysler/Fiat is recalling a few hundred thousand (2010 to 2014?) Cummins powered Lambs for faulty fuel heaters that might could cause fuel leaks, mebbe fires? 'Sposed to look if ya smell fuel.

Best part, they're not sending recall notices out until sometime in DECEMBER!

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We know its not a GM recall, because they didn't wait until 80 people died before issuing it. Two instances of overheated connectors, no injuries was all it took........


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My neighbor just bought a 2014 with that camera in the tailgate. We haul a lot of stuff so that would be a nice feature, at least till it broke. Other than that I will keep my 2003 as it only has about 60,000 miles on it.

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I have a 09 silverado. I know the owner of the dealership. He made 258 bucks on my truck and its worth today what I paid for it in 09. It has to many bells and whistles and I will never own another truck with carpet. I'm not crazy about it except it rides and drives better than any truck I have ever drove and the seats are so comfortable its like a easy chair. I haven't experienced the oil consumption but I know its a issue, I just hope mine doesn't do that.

I was going to buy a new tundra but I drove 2 or 3 and hated them. I drove a king rancher and it was sweet but they wanted a new price for it and it was used, and then there are were spark plug issues. I didn't even consider a dodge, hate'em, they're ugly as sin and I know to many people that have had tranny problems.

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I have an '08 and have zero oil loss. Must be lucky.


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I have an early 07 (4.3 liter) with zero oil issues, but then it only has 174,000+ miles. If I change oil at 5,000 mies, it is down about 1/2 quart at oil change.

So far repairs equals - one new clutch at 170,000 miles.

My only gripes are the damn spare tire holder and the heater controls. They must have been designed by an accountant. I'd like to shove that spare tire carrier up where the sun doesn't shine.

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Agree completely on the heater controls. Better set them where you want them before you take off, as those little buttons are hard to hit, and you need to watch the screen to know what you've chosen.

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Coupla thousand on the new truck. First trip it averaged 20.9 MPG combo local/highway for about 400 miles.

This last trip for deer season, averaged 20.4 MPG highway on the way home (180 miles) and 16 MPG combined for around 790 miles (trip up, driving around locally for over two weeks).

Not bad for having it pretty much loaded to the gills with hunting stuff, a half dozen firearms, one pesky labrador and the 18" Stihl saw.

It ain't never gonna travel light, even when I ain't going hunting for two weeks. Too much stuff that I can't live without: Two 20' log chains, towing strap, half dozen HD ratchet straps, 2 ton come-along, two hydraulic jacks and probably a good 300lbs worth of assorted tools.


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Got 4,000 on mine now dube. My gas mileage sucked the past two trips. I swear I had a nose wind each way both trips. I think best was 17...


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Gas might make some difference? I usually run Sunoco or gas from one of the area's larger convenience store chains. Either gives pretty good mileage and has in my last three trucks over the years.

On the other hand, gas from the local Sam's Club station is really pizz poor for mileage. Same experience with the ol' girl's vehicles. She won't use Sam's gas.

Don't think I'd have any problem getting close to 22 MPG highway if my truck didn't have so much weight in it on a regular basis. But I gotta have my stuff along or I feel nekkid and helpless.

Also noticed that mileage dropped a bit when temps were in the teens and low 20s.


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My 2011 ran strong, til last week. Constant chirp. Took all the belts off, its the engine, right bank. Figure its a roller lifter chewing on the cam. So in the market for a truck. Looked at 2015 Chevy's, but since 2014 Silverados were the most recalled vehicle last year, im kinda leary of '14 and 15's.

Looked at a '14 F150 FX4 CC last night. For the money, I can get a 15 Chevy Z71. And WTF is up for F150 Locking diff? Its an open diff until you pull a knob, my Chevy(and the new ones) have Gov Loc G80. Kicks in on its own, no need to pull a damn knob.

Im convinced ill end up with one of 2 vehicles before New years. A 15 Chevy CC Z71, or a 15 Tacoma Double Cab($5000 cheaper than the Chevy).

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I was kinda thinking about buying a new rig but I think I'll slum my 99 Tahoe after hearing all this. I might use 1/4 quart of oil in 5000 miles..

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Id keep it too. But id not worry about oil loss in the new ones. Hell my 11 didnt use oil at all. 69,000 on it now. But, mine was an early 11, and thats when they started fixing the lifter issue, guess mine didnt make it...lol. Oh well, still under warranty. But im afraid of what little shavings are making it down south. The oil return holes and tolerances in general are tight on these 5.3's. Fix and cross my fingers it holds up past warranty, or buy new? Im figuring new.

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Gov loc is a POS. Not any different than a limited slip that i can tell. My 2009 Z71 has it and im not impressed. I had a 2013 F150 and that is a true locker. Will shred your tires when going around a corner.

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Every GM 4x4 I've owned since '80, had their version of a locking rear. Never any issues, all went about where I wanted 'em to go within reason. I'll take a pass on shreddin' rear tires, btw.

Bought the '80 used in late fall of '85. First major snow storm we had after I got it, made it up the steep workplace driveway in 2WD, when one guy with a Ford F150 and another with a Ramcharger, barely made it up in FWD.

I probably had better tires than they did though, since I had just put new Firestone ATXs on it? So I "cheated" a bit.

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Posi, limited slip, locker, whatever they're called. Would never own a 4x4 without one. Have known several guys over the years that had 4x4 pickups, Broncos, Blazers, Dodges and other rigs without any sort of limited slip rear in them. All were pretty much useless on icy/snow covered roads when the goin' got tough.

One bud found that out the hard way when he bought a new '94 Chevy off'n the lot without the locker. His old Chevy had it and got around pretty well. He got the new one stuck the first deer season, when he backed into a snow covered field entrance and got stuck.

Spin a wheel on either end and there ya sit, while my trucks with the GM "locker" generally just kept on chuggin' along.


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Yessir not much into shredding tires myself. What im saying is with the Chevy if you get one tire in a hole or off the ground and the other is rammed up in the fender well you would hope the one with traction would hook up and get you out. Not the case with my Z71 so not much of an electric locker in my opinion. Had to engage 4 wheel drive and have the front wheels pull it out.
Similar scenario with my F150 and engage the locker and drive out in 2wd.

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Posi, limited slip, locker, whatever they're called.


Lockers will lock up both wheels on which ever end you have them, or all four if you have a locker front and back. You have to engage them. Good for going straight and slow.

Limited slip will only transfer power to the wheel that has the most grip. It works without one having to engage.



Lockers are the real deal and a big difference compared to limited slip.

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I don't know guys are always down on the G80. Unless you are rock crawling or something, I can see why it is so bad. I have had Chevys with and without I and won't own another one without it. It will always spin both tires when I want it to.

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Lockers will lock up both wheels on which ever end you have them, or all four if you have a locker front and back. You have to engage them. Good for going straight and slow.

Limited slip will only transfer power to the wheel that has the most grip. It works without one having to engage.

Lockers are the real deal and a big difference compared to limited slip.


Limited slip diffs are a big improvement over open diffs, but as you say, lockers are indeed the real deal.

Although it pains me to say it, the electronic traction gizmos fitted on modern 4x4's and AWD are also pretty good and in many respects can replace LSD's, but for serious off-roading, a rear locker is a must...


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Know the difference between a true locking differential, of which there are several kinds and what is essentially a limited slip rear in my GM trucks. Thus far been happy with what I had.

I don't go places where I'd need a true locker. From what I've seen over the years, those who invest in lockers, lifts and big tires seem to be the ones playing where they ought not to be and getting stuck/beatin' the crap out of their trucks?

Fields, some mud and snow, never a problem so far with what I've had. Point was that the GM rears that they call locking rears, have always gotten me "there and back" with four wheel drive.

Walked the '02 S10 ZR2 out of hub deep spring thaw mud once and a few other nasty places I got into a time or two. More than once wallered the '80 shortbed uphill through knee deep snow to get into hunting camp. Took some repeated bashing, got where I wanted to be.

The last two trucks have been a few places a bit more tame, but I haven't stuck a truck in over 40 years. 2WD or 4WD.


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Gov loc is a POS. Not any different than a limited slip that i can tell. My 2009 Z71 has it and im not impressed. I had a 2013 F150 and that is a true locker. Will shred your tires when going around a corner.


The G80 is a true locker. One wheel spins til a certain rpm and then a little cam locks both axles. People that think its a POS usually blow it out rock climbing, or running bigger tires than factory. Its a 10 bolt after all, not built to beat the piss out of...but I do, and mines held up great....

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Mid size trucks, but shows off the G80 well


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All i can say is enjoy your G80 and if your ever in the rugged terrain of SENM bring your tow strap and clevices.

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And that's kind of the point of "defending" the GM version they call a locking differential: Most of us will seldom if ever venture into places where it won't do the job.

I don't rock climb, mud bog, thrash in deserts, or go offroad nutso with my trucks. Pretty much know where I can go and where I shouldn't in the areas I travel, so no problems.

The time I got the S10 hub deep in the goo, was a mistake on my part. Pulled off the edge of a stoned parking lot because it was full, didn't realize the surrounding muck was that bad.

Realized that was a dumb move instantly, but got out of it. Cost me a small fortune at a car wash to de-funk the truck, too.

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I hear ya. I dont rock crawl or mud bog either but when i am hunting i do find myself in some really rough and some times shouldnt be driving thru terrain. Took both my Ford and Chevy though a lot of the same terrain and Ford locker is the winner by a long shot.

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While the Chevy's trudging through you can hear the Ford echo "wait up, I forgot to pull the knob, knob, knob, knob!"

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My 1998 Chevy has 143,000 miles on it and the G80 has performed flawlessly the entire time I've owned it. In the ten years I lived Alaska and the six in Colorado I've put well over 45,000 miles on it in 4WD.

About a year ago I changed the fluid and everything looked perfect. The only contamination was some ultra fine particles from the clutches which are normal and expected.

I have zero complaints with the G80 in my truck.

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Bought a 2015 and the mileage has been better than I expected. 20.5 mpg on my 55 mile per day commute, which is about 75% highway and 25% city and on one longer trip so far it was 22.8 mpg

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You can have the active fuel management turned off. If you do you will never have the oil consumption issues many have had.


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U have to be VERY insistant at the dealership to get them to turn the fuel management off but they will. Or find a local person with a Tech 2 scan tool that knows how to use it can do it. This guy is really really popular for tuning chevy's on any of the chevy forums.

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