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Better than ballistics would indicate. #9287563 10/27/14
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,225 East Texas T TexasRick OP Campfire Tracker
OP TexasRick Campfire Tracker T Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,225 East Texas	OK, we all know it happens when a certain round performs all out of perportion to what would be exspected by reading the ballistics tables. Some rounds are just more than what yopu'd exspect. For me it starts with the .250-3000. I know it's barely more than a .243 balistically, but the performance is dramatically different. There is no way the .250 is equal to the .243....it's so much more....and I'd actually place it as side-by-side with the .270. At long range (300+ yards) the .25-06 and .270 start to show their stuff, but at under 200 yards the .250 is just as good or better. Can't explain it with balistics, but it's there. The .35 Remington is another that stands above it's ballistics profile. In energy and other measures it is only slightly more powerful than the .30-30.....but the results are so much more. Probably most apparent is the .44 Magnum (in a rifle). I've never seen a round hit harder and give more reaction to the shot than a .44 magnum at under 100 yards. Maybe some other rounds do as well (I'm thinking .45-70) but not by much. Energy figures say no....but in-the-field results are different. Has anyone else noticed this trend?? I hate change, it's never for the better.... Grumpy Old Men The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know

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Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. TexasRick #9287570 10/27/14
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Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,737 Eastern Nebraska	300 Savage has been that way for me. At normal deer hunting ranges (under 300 yards), it's performed far better than I expected it to. “The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com

Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. Calhoun #9287573 10/27/14
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Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. Steelhead #9287574 10/27/14
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pointer Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,649 Indiana	Originally Posted by Steelhead 223 +1.

Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. TexasRick #9287577 10/27/14
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Formidilosus Campfire Tracker F Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,395	Bullets. What were the bullets used in the 250 and 243 to make your comparisons?

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Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. pointer #9287581 10/27/14
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OP TexasRick Campfire Tracker T Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,225 East Texas	.223....didn't exspect much.....and got what I exspected. I hate change, it's never for the better.... Grumpy Old Men The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know

Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. TexasRick #9287588 10/27/14
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OP TexasRick Campfire Tracker T Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,225 East Texas	Bullets???? If a cartridge needs "magic: bullets to perform.....it's not much of a cartridge. I hate change, it's never for the better.... Grumpy Old Men The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know

Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. TexasRick #9287599 10/27/14
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OP TexasRick Campfire Tracker T Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,225 East Texas	I've used the .25-20 on deer and found it more effective than the .223.....didn't exspect much from either and got what I exspected. I hate change, it's never for the better.... Grumpy Old Men The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know

Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. TexasRick #9287602 10/27/14
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OP TexasRick Campfire Tracker T Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,225 East Texas	Dead deer in both cases.....deer just aren't that tough I hate change, it's never for the better.... Grumpy Old Men The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know

Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. TexasRick #9287703 10/27/14
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ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky	.300 H&H "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

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Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. TexasRick #9287705 10/27/14
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OP TexasRick Campfire Tracker T Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,225 East Texas	.300 Savage is a good example.....not much different than a .308 and maybe better with 180 grain bullets. I hate change, it's never for the better.... Grumpy Old Men The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know

Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. TexasRick #9287850 10/27/14
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DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,088 In the Swamps	CB Shorts. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. TexasRick #9287938 10/27/14
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Jordan Smith Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,482 Calgary, AB, Canada	No, I've not noticed any magic, inexplicable, para-normal trend. Bullets tend to kill stuff right quick when they hit the proper spot on a critter and expand. Originally Posted by TexasRick Bullets???? If a cartridge needs "magic: bullets to perform.....it's not much of a cartridge. That explains a lot. [/thread]

Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. DigitalDan #9287968 10/27/14
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rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,815	Originally Posted by DigitalDan CB Shorts. The Bermuda version hits harder Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. rcamuglia #9288395 10/27/14
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jmp300wsm Campfire Tracker Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,128 Arizona	257 Weatherby with 100 TSX at 3700 fps always amazes me on game. When Roy said speed kills, I believe he was right on. If you find yourself in a hole....quit digging

Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. TexasRick #9288609 10/27/14
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Blackheart Campfire Ranger B Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,232	Whatever it is you've been smoking when you go hunting you need to stop it. Admittedly that's some funny schit though.

Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. Blackheart #9288701 10/27/14
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powdr Campfire Outfitter P Joined: May 2005 Posts: 9,611 Central Texas	The little 250 kills all out of proportion to it's size. I've had/have both the regular version and the Ackley version. The 90-115gr bullets are a death ray on deer and out to as far as a man can hold his gun still. powdr

Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. Blackheart #9288703 10/27/14
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powdr Campfire Outfitter P Joined: May 2005 Posts: 9,611 Central Texas	The little 250 kills all out of proportion to it's size. I've had/have both the regular version and the Ackley version. The 90-115gr bullets are a death ray on deer and out to as far as a man can hold his gun still. powdr

Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. TexasRick #9288733 10/27/14
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shrapnel Campfire Ranger Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,503 Bozeman, MT	Originally Posted by TexasRick Probably most apparent is the .44 Magnum (in a rifle). I've never seen a round hit harder and give more reaction to the shot than a .44 magnum at under 100 yards. Maybe some other rounds do as well (I'm thinking .45-70) but not by much. Energy figures say no....but in-the-field results are different. Has anyone else noticed this trend?? I will have to admit, I haven't seen this trend and would suspect anyone that has shot more than a handgun cartridge at 100 yards, would not notice this trend either...

Re: Better than ballistics would indicate. Jordan Smith #9288823 10/27/14
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Formidilosus Campfire Tracker F Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,395	Originally Posted by Jordan Smith No, I've not noticed any magic, inexplicable, para-normal trend. Bullets tend to kill stuff right quick when they hit the proper spot on a critter and expand. Originally Posted by TexasRick Bullets???? If a cartridge needs "magic: bullets to perform.....it's not much of a cartridge. That explains a lot. [/thread] No, no, no Jordan! Can't you see that it's about majic and not with how the bullets are constructed and where they go! Sheesh....

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