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Very nice!!!!

Nice looking varmint/target type rifle. Those long tube scopes with double micrometer scope ring adjustments were truly awful.

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"Those long tube scopes with double micrometer scope ring adjustments were truly awful."

Some of the guys at my club still use those scopes on their vintage target rifles and turn in some pretty impressive scores. What's with your continual bashing of these guys' cool Winchesters? I like this 54. It has a lot of character and I'm sure it is a shooter too.

Yea, those long tube scopes are awful,thats why there is such a high demand for good condition ones and they sell for high dollar. What planet are you from?
Great Model 54 Ismith, love it with that Super Targetspot. Here is a pic of one of my Winchester 52's with a Lyman 20x Supertargetspot and a 100 yd 5 shot group with that terrible archaic scope.



And a Model 75 with another awful scope,

Uber cool rigs! I smith have you tried to dig up history on your 54? You can bet back in those days it was not Joe Sixpack yhat had that rig built! Im willing to bet it is not shot out and will shoot better than you or I can hold it!
Augie, love your Winchesters, is top gun a B or C ? nice shooting, If you ever run across old Federal UM1 ammo, buy a box, the 100 yard groups will be centerfire good ( if the wind is calm!) . Mine love wolf MT, SK rifle match and mag.in the 500 ct pringles cans. Keep a check on Graf and son for the S&K.
very best winpoor

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I take exception to the unfortunate choice of Slavek's word "Awful".

I have used the Lyman Supertargetspot scopes and Unertl's for 60 years and have a number of them ready. We shoot with them in the 50' gallery all year around and outdoors at 50 and 100 yds.

ismith, super cool looking rifle! Has the barrel been cut down on this or does it just appear short because of the super long scope on it. What caliber is it in?

Nice old classic! Winchester and G&H.............don't get much better!

That rifle is a custom by the late Floyd Butler. It has a 26" barrel with a 1-16" twist chambered for the R 2 Lovell and rechambered for the .219 Improved Zipper.

The scope is not "super long" at all and in fact just right for that rifle. It's a 10X Lyman Supertargetspot. I have made numerous shots with it on chucks etc.

I shoot the 50gr Sierra over 4064.

Great looking rifle. I have a Lyman Super-Targetspots on my Winchester target rifle and it is as good/better - than any other scope I own.

I haven't sent G&H an email yet but I am planning on it. The barrel is 22 inches long and appears to be as it left G&H. It is chambered in 250-3000.

Yea, nobody uses those crappy long tube scopes.

I love that picture! It really gets the point across about the long scope and its popularity, but is there anyone there younger than 80?? .. Just kidding. Cool picture though..

no comment on this 54 as long as the owner is happy

John, why don't you ever show us a picture of your 54??

I have showed pictures problem is I'm not a very good picture taker.

Mr Ismith, have you checked what twist your gun is ? If you are going to hand load for it I will send you a few 115 gr bergers to try out.I have good luck with the 110 gr accubombs as well in the 25 cal guns. very best winpoor

ISmith, I would sure contact G&H and see what history u can dig up, it may be worth a lot of money to you or kids down the line! I know I enjoy history on my older guns! v best WinPoor

I haven't checked yet. I appreciate the offer, but I couldn't except with all the .257 caliber bullets I have stocked for my Roberts.

Going to send an email tonight. I would love to find out who ordered it. Id imagine it was ordered as a woodchuck rifle.

Got an email back from the G&H archivist on Friday. He's on vacation but will get back to me sometime this week.

Dang! Keep us posted when you get the skinny! I love your gun, minus butterknife and that would grow on me,I love seeing history, timeline on these Winchesters! very cool, very best WinPoor

The only good gun I even saw at the Helena gun show was this same gun in 250-3000. I wouldn't mind owning it, except for the $6000.00 price tag on it...

Dam Scrapmetal! I was going to try and talk him out of the gun after the new ran out! Dont give up all the 6K trade secrets!!! LMazzO. I feel Mr ISmith made a great buy..... very best WinPoor

As a side note ,praise the Lord this one does NOT have the G&H 4 hole side mount!!!! v best WinPoor

Yep, I figured if I priced it too low someone would want to buy it! It was the most popular rifle on my table. I think even my wife secretly likes it, she gave me a pretty hard time as I was casing it up to put in the truck.

That was yours?

I found a G&H side mount with a M84 scope at the Billings gun show a few years ago for $1200. It was an original M1C mount and I ended up trading it for a type 2 NM M1 Garand in 99.9% condition.

Yes it was.

I dont think the price is that far off.
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