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What happened to hunting magazines printing hunting stories from the writers? They seem to be filled with "how to" articles and "new rut info the the whitetails brain."

I on the can reading the latest Outdoor Life and it had a bunch of gibberish and one article on a 10 day hunt in BC that turned into 14 days due to bad weather. That was the type of article that kept me awake many nights thinking about hunting moose, caribou, and big rutty bucks.

Do those types of articles no longer sell? Is there a magazine that has more of these types in it instead of how great the Savage Stainless Hunter in 338WM and the new Tasco scope are?

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You hit it Tom. The " me and Joe" stories already happened and don't have time or space for planned product placement.


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Those stories used to keep me up nights planning my "hunts." Sneaking through the brush with my not yet acquired m94 30-30, setting up my tent camp for a 2 week hunt in the spruce filled north in search of a buck, back packing in to a wilderness and winging it... Hoping to find food before I starved.

I had stacks of of sports afield and outdoor life that kept my mind off my school work and onto the trajectory of a 30-06. Why the 94 is better than the 336, thanksgiving deer hunts in northern WI national forests.

We need more of those because they'll still have the same effect on me. grin


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I miss those stories also. I would buy the magazines that have those kind of stories and I know others would. How can we get them to appear in the mags?


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Originally Posted by tzone
Those stories used to keep me up nights planning my "hunts." Sneaking through the brush with my not yet acquired m94 30-30, setting up my tent camp for a 2 week hunt in the spruce filled north in search of a buck, back packing in to a wilderness and winging it... Hoping to find food before I starved.

I had stacks of of sports afield and outdoor life that kept my mind off my school work and onto the trajectory of a 30-06. Why the 94 is better than the 336, thanksgiving deer hunts in northern WI national forests.

We need more of those because they'll still have the same effect on me. grin


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This is the only magazine I subscribe to anymore. It's pretty good. Not perfect, but what is?


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Couldn't agree more, not a writer, but tried of track shoe hunting boot style stories, still hunt with my grandfathers compass. I do enjoy RLN from JB and EC, seems to get more usefull and "other info" out there. Just tagged a nice blacktail and need to break out their "Sausage Season" book for laying up some breakfast, Cajun, and Irish Breakfast sausage for this year. And by the way, it's the M95 30/40 gov, that's the ticket for West Slope Cascades, :-)


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Originally Posted by tzone
What happened to hunting magazines printing hunting stories from the writers? They seem to be filled with "how to" articles and "new rut info the the whitetails brain."

I on the can reading the latest Outdoor Life and it had a bunch of gibberish and one article on a 10 day hunt in BC that turned into 14 days due to bad weather. That was the type of article that kept me awake many nights thinking about hunting moose, caribou, and big rutty bucks.

Do those types of articles no longer sell? Is there a magazine that has more of these types in it instead of how great the Savage Stainless Hunter in 338WM and the new Tasco scope are?


"Joe and me" type of writing, along with outdoor humor stories, are no longer wanted for the most part.

It seems editors want wham bang reviews/short technical articles about equipment for today's city living hunters. They don't want to read about sneaking up on a buck, the campfire, the colour of the changing leaves, etc. They want a synopsis of scopes, cartridges and rifles that will work for their reader's annual one week in the field.

You're living in the past. It's time and data management these daze.


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Times have changed for sure. That's why I like to track down Barsness' articles nowadays. OL, F&S, and a few others are a real good place to track down some boner medicine though.


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I remember when growing up, my Grandpa had a stack of magazines. Id go through them every hunting season it seemed like, reading the stories. Loved all the hunting stories they had back then. Of course I always had to look for Pat McManus' stories for a good laugh!

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Agreed!

I look for John Barsness and Phil Shoemaker articles because they most often apply to my type of hunting and experiences. These two have extensive real hunting experience and don't pump the latest gizmos and gadgets. They write of reliable and practical rifles and cartridges for the hunter.

When you see other hunters in the airports of Alaska, you can often figure out which articles they read and videos they watch.

In fact.....I should write an article about that. wink

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Tom, the lack of magazine content may explain the popularity of certain aspects of the 'fire. My favorites here are when the hunting camp stories start appearing. I always try to add a bit about what happens at our place. Sadly as time and people pass it is less and less.


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Sometime in the 1980's one of the smaller magazine publishing companies figured out they could sell more advertising in their gun and hunting magazines if the articles mentioned lots of products from the advertisers. This lead to other magazines doing the same thing, and the result was fewer hunting stories. Today a lot of "hunting" articles are actually thinly disguised articles about new guns, ammo, scopes, etc.

But part of the reason this worked was more and more American hunters were living in cities and suburbs, and at the same time good public-land hunting was shrinking, especially in more populous states. One basic rule of outdoor sports is that when people can't actually do them as much, they tend to obsess over equipment between trips. Many increasingly urban American hunters actually seem to prefer gear-oriented articles, because they want to make sure their relatively few chances at game are successful.

I made most of my living writing hunting and fishing stories, both narrative ("Me and Joe") and how-to until the 1990's, when the transition toward more gear-oriented articles really took over. I started doing more gun writing and now they're the majority of my income. There simply weren't enough "hunting story" markets left to get by, though I still publish a few a year.


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Here's something that I've posted for Remembrance Day the past few years. I believe it's called Veteran's Day in the US. We observe it on November 11th. The story is a loose marriage of war, memories of days gone by, and hunting. It's not McManus. It's not technical. It's not in vogue.

Gramps
Copyright 2007 - Stephen Redgwell

It's hard to believe that over twenty years have gone by since the last time I visited Gramps' farm. It�s located in Prince Edward County in eastern Ontario, on the road between Picton and Cherry Valley. Gramps had 150 acres that was used for mixed farming - primarily hay and dairy cattle.

He bought the place in 1919 for $150. That was a lot of money back then. He got a special government loan after returning home from France at the end of World War One. The money had to be paid back at one dollar a month, and he never defaulted. He was a hard worker and his dairy cattle produced a steady supply of milk that was easily sold. By the summer of 1931, Gramps was a paid in full member of the local farming community.

In some respects, it must have been tough coming home after the war. Everyone used to say that he had aged far beyond his years because of the fighting. They said that when he was away in France, he always worried about his family waiting back in Ontario.

When I was in my twenties, I got a rare look into Gramps� past. I had just joined the army and he told me about what the service was like when he was in uniform. He never talked about the war, so this was a private moment between us. He spoke about the noise and the dead lying around on the battlefield. He described the musty, dirty smells of the trenches. Did I know that there were rats? They fed on anything - army horses, farm animals and human corpses.

One memory that's always stuck with me was when Gramps described seeing a man cry for the first time. He was embarrassed and ashamed. Gramps felt that he was intruding on another person's privacy, but where could he go? You couldn�t leave the trenches. Grown men would just sit by themselves, weeping openly. No one said anything. He finished off by saying that the trip back to Canada was a lonely time. Every day he sat on the deck of the ship, staring into space, re-living the memories of what would become �the war to end all wars�.

"No one learned a lesson from that." was all he said.

He was actually one of three boys that went overseas to fight the Hun. Gramps was the only one that returned. His two brothers � Edward and Terry - died within hours of each other at Vimy Ridge, on the morning of April 9th, 1917. The fighting, the loss of his siblings and worrying about family took its toll.

Dad said that Gramps never talked to anyone about the days before 1919. Every Remembrance Day however, Gramps would dutifully go to the service at the local cenotaph. He never cried, but always seemed to drift away for a few minutes, staring into the distance - looking in vain for his two lost brothers perhaps.

Gramps died in 1986, but the farm is well cared for by a property agency. The fields are rented out to neighbours to cover the agency fees and taxes.

The 1870s era farmhouse looks much the same as it did when it was built. With the single addition of an indoor toilet in 1961, it stands as a snapshot of a bygone era. I'll always remember it that way.

My first memories of the place were visits in the early 1960s. Unlike our farm, Gramps had no electricity or running water. There was a small pump in the kitchen and a larger one outside, a few feet from the front porch. A large wood stove provided heat. It also provided the hot water for baths, dishes and the laundry.

Whenever I went for a visit, Grandma used to chase Gramps and me out the door. He loved to go bird hunting but didn�t do enough of it. Grandma would say,

�Go out and get me a nice pheasant Gramps, and some rabbits too. I�m sick of chicken!�

Summer and early fall were my favourite times to go hunting. As a child, I enjoyed the simple pleasure of exploring the farm, oblivious to possession limits or the need to bring something home. Being outdoors was enough and Gramps helped instill that feeling by being one of my early hunting companions.

We�d spend our Saturdays walking around the hay fields or stalking the hardwood thickets that hid our supper. I think that Gramps secretly liked to play hooky from his farm chores and be a kid again. I carried an old single shot Cooey. Gramps had his 12 gauge side by side.

I was always leading the way, my 22 ready for anything. Gramps was a real good spotter. Whenever he saw a rabbit or a bird that he figured I could hit, he�d tap me on the shoulder, point and whisper.

�Look over there, Steve. About twenty yards away, under that maple.�

My rifle would bark, and if I was lucky, there would be game for the pot. Those were the memories that I treasure the most.

In 1986, I went to visit Gramps while on leave from the army. Ten years earlier, I had joined the Canadian Forces. I was unsure of how the family would take it back then, but I needn�t have worried. Both Dad and Gramps were proud that I had chosen to serve, but sad that I would be away from home. Nonetheless, they supported my decision and wrote me often, wherever in the world I went.

When I got to the farmhouse, Grandma met me at the door, gave me a big hug and said to come inside.

�I know it�s been about six months since you last visited us, Steve. I wanted to tell you that Gramps isn�t feeling well. He�s lost some weight and has trouble walking. Come on, he�s looking forward to seeing you.�

I went into the living room and saw Gramps sitting by the window, staring outside at the fields. He wasn�t the man I talked to last spring. He turned and smiled at me, looking very tired and frail. Gramps must have seen the reaction in my face because he said, �Come over and sit beside this old man, son. I won�t bite.� Then he looked at Grandma and said, �Why don�t you get us some tea, mother?�

Gramps waited for Grandma to go into the kitchen before speaking.

�Don�t look so sad, Steve. No one lives forever. A few years ago, the doctor told me that I had a cancer. It�s finally caught up to me. Oh, don�t worry. You know that poem about not going gently into the good night? Well, I ran ahead of it as long as I could.�

My eyes welled up with tears. I tried, but couldn�t say anything. Then Gramps said,

�Last night I dreamed about my brothers. I haven�t done that in years. Ed, he was the oldest, he used to tell me that I�d be the traveller in the family. Well, I proved him wrong. Except for going to France in the First War, the farthest I�ve never been is Toronto. I�ll rub that in his face when I see him.�

Gramps was saying goodbye. I had to keep it together.

�When you retire from the service, make sure that you come back here to live. You can settle down and take over this old place. It�s in good shape. I�ll leave my 12 gauge for you to use. You never did get a shotgun of your own. Take your 22 out of retirement and give it to your kids.�

We spent the afternoon chatting about all sorts of things. We reminisced about the farm, growing up and later on, when I first joined the military. We laughed about Grandma, how the crows used to follow us when we went rabbit hunting and that, even after sixty years, army boots fit no better than when Gramps was in.

Just before supper, Gramps told me to go to my dad�s place and have something to eat. I could come back later. He gave me a picture of him taken in 1917, standing proudly in his uniform. He also handed over a box with his medals inside. He said to put them away for safekeeping. He said that future generations of our family mustn�t forget their relatives or anyone in uniform. He wanted his great-grandkids to see his picture and be able to touch his medals.

A little before 5:00 PM on Nov 10, 1986, I left for dad's house. Gramps passed away less than an hour later.
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Mule Deer. I always enjoyed your "rifles and woodsmok" column and wish you would bring that back. And I miss Pat Mcmanus.


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When 400-600+ shots on deer and elk became popular and long range hunting shots became the norm, nothing much of a story can come from that...not much to tell but bang flop. Don't usually hear about the bang, oh crap shots for obvious reasons. I like to read more about bow hunting stories, stalking these days, because I consider it more like the hunt I remember and still do.

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Originally Posted by Steve Redgwell
Here's something that I've posted for Remembrance Day the past few years. I believe it's called Veteran's Day in the US. We observe it on November 11th. The story is a loose marriage of war, memories of days gone by, and hunting. It's not McManus. It's not technical. It's not in vogue.

Gramps
Copyright 2007 - Stephen Redgwell

It's hard to believe that over twenty years have gone by since the last time I visited Gramps' farm. It�s located in Prince Edward County in eastern Ontario, on the road between Picton and Cherry Valley. Gramps had 150 acres that was used for mixed farming - primarily hay and dairy cattle.

He bought the place in 1919 for $150. That was a lot of money back then. He got a special government loan after returning home from France at the end of World War One. The money had to be paid back at one dollar a month, and he never defaulted. He was a hard worker and his dairy cattle produced a steady supply of milk that was easily sold. By the summer of 1931, Gramps was a paid in full member of the local farming community.

In some respects, it must have been tough coming home after the war. Everyone used to say that he had aged far beyond his years because of the fighting. They said that when he was away in France, he always worried about his family waiting back in Ontario.

When I was in my twenties, I got a rare look into Gramps� past. I had just joined the army and he told me about what the service was like when he was in uniform. He never talked about the war, so this was a private moment between us. He spoke about the noise and the dead lying around on the battlefield. He described the musty, dirty smells of the trenches. Did I know that there were rats? They fed on anything - army horses, farm animals and human corpses.

One memory that's always stuck with me was when Gramps described seeing a man cry for the first time. He was embarrassed and ashamed. Gramps felt that he was intruding on another person's privacy, but where could he go? You couldn�t leave the trenches. Grown men would just sit by themselves, weeping openly. No one said anything. He finished off by saying that the trip back to Canada was a lonely time. Every day he sat on the deck of the ship, staring into space, re-living the memories of what would become �the war to end all wars�.

"No one learned a lesson from that." was all he said.

He was actually one of three boys that went overseas to fight the Hun. Gramps was the only one that returned. His two brothers � Edward and Terry - died within hours of each other at Vimy Ridge, on the morning of April 9th, 1917. The fighting, the loss of his siblings and worrying about family took its toll.

Dad said that Gramps never talked to anyone about the days before 1919. Every Remembrance Day however, Gramps would dutifully go to the service at the local cenotaph. He never cried, but always seemed to drift away for a few minutes, staring into the distance - looking in vain for his two lost brothers perhaps.

Gramps died in 1986, but the farm is well cared for by a property agency. The fields are rented out to neighbours to cover the agency fees and taxes.

The 1870s era farmhouse looks much the same as it did when it was built. With the single addition of an indoor toilet in 1961, it stands as a snapshot of a bygone era. I'll always remember it that way.

My first memories of the place were visits in the early 1960s. Unlike our farm, Gramps had no electricity or running water. There was a small pump in the kitchen and a larger one outside, a few feet from the front porch. A large wood stove provided heat. It also provided the hot water for baths, dishes and the laundry.

Whenever I went for a visit, Grandma used to chase Gramps and me out the door. He loved to go bird hunting but didn�t do enough of it. Grandma would say,

�Go out and get me a nice pheasant Gramps, and some rabbits too. I�m sick of chicken!�

Summer and early fall were my favourite times to go hunting. As a child, I enjoyed the simple pleasure of exploring the farm, oblivious to possession limits or the need to bring something home. Being outdoors was enough and Gramps helped instill that feeling by being one of my early hunting companions.

We�d spend our Saturdays walking around the hay fields or stalking the hardwood thickets that hid our supper. I think that Gramps secretly liked to play hooky from his farm chores and be a kid again. I carried an old single shot Cooey. Gramps had his 12 gauge side by side.

I was always leading the way, my 22 ready for anything. Gramps was a real good spotter. Whenever he saw a rabbit or a bird that he figured I could hit, he�d tap me on the shoulder, point and whisper.

�Look over there, Steve. About twenty yards away, under that maple.�

My rifle would bark, and if I was lucky, there would be game for the pot. Those were the memories that I treasure the most.

In 1986, I went to visit Gramps while on leave from the army. Ten years earlier, I had joined the Canadian Forces. I was unsure of how the family would take it back then, but I needn�t have worried. Both Dad and Gramps were proud that I had chosen to serve, but sad that I would be away from home. Nonetheless, they supported my decision and wrote me often, wherever in the world I went.

When I got to the farmhouse, Grandma met me at the door, gave me a big hug and said to come inside.

�I know it�s been about six months since you last visited us, Steve. I wanted to tell you that Gramps isn�t feeling well. He�s lost some weight and has trouble walking. Come on, he�s looking forward to seeing you.�

I went into the living room and saw Gramps sitting by the window, staring outside at the fields. He wasn�t the man I talked to last spring. He turned and smiled at me, looking very tired and frail. Gramps must have seen the reaction in my face because he said, �Come over and sit beside this old man, son. I won�t bite.� Then he looked at Grandma and said, �Why don�t you get us some tea, mother?�

Gramps waited for Grandma to go into the kitchen before speaking.

�Don�t look so sad, Steve. No one lives forever. A few years ago, the doctor told me that I had a cancer. It�s finally caught up to me. Oh, don�t worry. You know that poem about not going gently into the good night? Well, I ran ahead of it as long as I could.�

My eyes welled up with tears. I tried, but couldn�t say anything. Then Gramps said,

�Last night I dreamed about my brothers. I haven�t done that in years. Ed, he was the oldest, he used to tell me that I�d be the traveller in the family. Well, I proved him wrong. Except for going to France in the First War, the farthest I�ve never been is Toronto. I�ll rub that in his face when I see him.�

Gramps was saying goodbye. I had to keep it together.

�When you retire from the service, make sure that you come back here to live. You can settle down and take over this old place. It�s in good shape. I�ll leave my 12 gauge for you to use. You never did get a shotgun of your own. Take your 22 out of retirement and give it to your kids.�

We spent the afternoon chatting about all sorts of things. We reminisced about the farm, growing up and later on, when I first joined the military. We laughed about Grandma, how the crows used to follow us when we went rabbit hunting and that, even after sixty years, army boots fit no better than when Gramps was in.

Just before supper, Gramps told me to go to my dad�s place and have something to eat. I could come back later. He gave me a picture of him taken in 1917, standing proudly in his uniform. He also handed over a box with his medals inside. He said to put them away for safekeeping. He said that future generations of our family mustn�t forget their relatives or anyone in uniform. He wanted his great-grandkids to see his picture and be able to touch his medals.

A little before 5:00 PM on Nov 10, 1986, I left for dad's house. Gramps passed away less than an hour later.
---


Thank you for sharing that touching story, Steve. Both my grandpas were hunters, but they both passed within less than 6 months of each other when I was only 11. I never had a chance to hunt or fish with either of them.



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I agree that I would really like to see more of these types of stories in the hunting mags, but they aren't there since, as MD and others have said, the market just isn't there anymore. However, I've found that there are more hunting stories in Sports Afield than any other hunting magazine. A lot of them are about far away, more expensive outfitted hunts such as in Africa and Asia, but there are still a few about deer and elk hunting every so often.

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I think one reason you don't see many "hunting stories" in magazines anymore is because we see so many here on the 24HCF and other internet sites; one can view them at any time.

Our deer season here is much later than many parts of the country, yet I get to read and see all types of hunts.

Don't get me wrong, gunwriters have some fantastic stories, but a few gunwriters can't touch the numerous hunts by even more people.

I will say I "discovered" shrapnel and some guy at Capitol Sports in Helena even through "equipment" articles, so the personal accounts are still there.

But I've learned more about how deplorable they can be in real life, on the internet......I've even met some of them, which is far better than any story.

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thanks for that Steve..

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