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a, to me, funny byproduct of the legalization of pot in arizona for medicinial purposes.
As told me by several FFL class 3 dealers.
People wanting to buy a firearms and filling out the 4473 then producing I.D. such as the medicinal Pot I.D. card.
They can't understand why they get rejected.
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Rejected is one thing, lying on form 4473 line 11(e) is a Felony. These people are lucky he did not turn them in to the Feds.
If they were to be successful in purchasing a firearm they Now have two Felonies to deal with, Lying on form 4473 and Possession of a Firearm by a "Prohibited Person".
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Has anyone ever been convicted of a felony for lying on the 4473???
I know its supposed to be a felony, but its in place as a feel good law...not a law thats enforced.
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Has anyone ever been convicted of a felony for lying on the 4473???
I know its supposed to be a felony, but its in place as a feel good law...not a law thats enforced. Yes, one just recently, went all the way to the Supreme Court. Abramski. http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/abramski-v-united-states/It happens, http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1097390.htmlRector was placed under state arrest for receiving stolen property (the Colt .357) in violation of Indiana law.   He was not placed under federal arrest at that time.   Rector subsequently pleaded guilty to the state charge.   A federal grand jury eventually indicted him on August 20, 1992, charging him with five counts of being a felon in possession of a firearm, in violation of 18 U.S.C. �� 922(g)(1) and 924, and two counts of making false statements on a federal firearms transaction form in violation of 18 U.S.C. �� 922(a)(6) and 924. - See more at: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1097390.html#sthash.J1kwe5Py.dpuf
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Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Good! Actually Im pleased that you were able to prove me wrong! We wouldn't have near the problems we have if they would enforce the existing laws....
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Meanwhile...to the OPs question of regulations and legal marijuana...I started to write up the ways it would affect and change the regulations for just the things I know, which is Police K9...and frankly I don't have enough time, and you guys wouldn't want to read a post that long. Legalization changes a LOT....
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Steve: thanks again for looking up that case law! Good to know for sure.
Back when I was working for the LGS Clinton passed a law that it was a felony to steal a gun from a licensed dealer. Excellent. Something we can work with!
Guy comes in and steals a Win 94 off the rack. We got it on video, and we caught the dude. Turned it all over to the ATF to prosecute and they refused because the rifle didn't have any " PR appeal...like an AK-47..."
Phouc............
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Doesn't seem to be any problem in CO. and WA.
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You guys don't get it.
The republican party asked the citizens if they wanted their socialism with or without a phone. Romney? The only guy who couldn't challenge Obama on socialized healthcare?
We had one candidate that said downsize govt, reduce spending, return to the Constitution. The republicans crapped on him. I'm voting for a Conservative, period. If repubs don't want to run one, then they lose my vote. Running a Romney or McCain is handing the reins to the dems. Then just vote for the Democrat nominee. The result is exactly the same. People like you who stayed home in a snit gave us Hussein. Thanks a lot.
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It grows wild all over the place around here, it is leftover from the days when it was grown as an agricultural crop for non drug uses, primarily making rope and "canvas". Rumor has it that it is more likely to give you a headache then get you high. I do know that large patches of it make great dove hunting spots. 
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence". John Adams
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Might want to do a little research on that one. Here is the first thing that popped up when doing the Google. A Westword staffer just got off the phone with the owner of Swiss Medical, and what he had to say sheds interesting light on the ongoing DEA raids of marijuana operations. According to the owner, the raid was prompted by one person among multiple tenants using its space -- but the plants belong to everyone were seized.
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A Cherry Top Farms image from 2011.
The reason is undoubtedly the same as the rationale for taking all the plants from Cherry Top Farms back in 2011 -- an event noted above. As U.S. Attorney's Office spokesman Jeff Dorschner told us at the time, agents actually followed suspects to Cherry Top Farms, which was in compliance with state rules. But because marijuana remains illegal at the federal level, federal law enforcers are required to seize weed whenever and wherever they encounter it.
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2013/11/marijuana_raids_colorado_dea_irs_denver_police.phpI could post this [bleep] all day, but you get the point, I hope.
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I'm thinking, just like gay marriage, pot will soon be legalized at the Fed level.
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I'm thinking, just like gay marriage, pot will soon be legalized at the Fed level.
I doubt it. The Republicans will not go for it. The Democrats will Never go for it. The Democrat's agenda includes Disarming America any way they can. With Pot being Legal on the State Level, but Illegal on the Federal level they can without a single bit of Federal legislation disarmed thousands if not Millions of Americans. They will never vote to give up this Free Offer to disarm America.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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I'm thinking, just like gay marriage, pot will soon be legalized at the Fed level.
Governments ... all Governments ... whether local, state or federal have one fundamental thing in common: They all lust for money! The Feds already tax such "sinful" and "destructive" products like tobacco and alcohol ... it's just a matter of time.
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You're the one who doesn't get it.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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It grows wild all over the place around here, it is leftover from the days when it was grown as an agricultural crop for non drug uses, primarily making rope and "canvas". Rumor has it that it is more likely to give you a headache then get you high. I do know that large patches of it make great dove hunting spots. I can recall an elderly farmer 20-30 years ago who ran a patch of that stuff through his baler and was going to ship a bale of 'hay' off to a source in Cali for use to stretch the 'good stuff'. It wasn't 'false representation' he got busted for. 
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All this with an active smoker in the WH.
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"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence". John Adams
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You guys have no clue how dangerous legalization is. Its not the smoked pot - it's the edibles made from refined MJ oils. They are making candy, cookies, chocolates, brownies, drinks - you name it. Largely unregulated. The rates of cannabis psychosis are skyrocketing.
My cousin that I went hunting with last weekend is a psychiatrist in Denver and he's buried two patients from it in the last year and he has put many young people in long-term institutional care because the edibles cause a lifetime of psychosis because it rewires the brain if first time or casual smokers take a huge dose of edibles. Before moving to Colorado, he'd never seen a single case a cannabis psychosis but deals with it regularly now that it's been legalized. Ridiculous. You guys have been watching too much Reefer Madness.
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I'm thinking, just like gay marriage, pot will soon be legalized at the Fed level.
Governments ... all Governments ... whether local, state or federal have one fundamental thing in common: They all lust for money! The Feds already tax such "sinful" and "destructive" products like tobacco and alcohol ... it's just a matter of time. They will tax it in the State Level. The Feds do not need to tax pot, all they have to do is borrow more Money from China or Print it, states do not have that ability.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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