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I will say that when I first became interested in guns as a young boy, I drank the Kool-aid and believed that there was some mystical power inherent in certain chamberings. In the decades since, I've realized that the only actual trend is this- when bullets expand in vital organs, things die. When they don't, things don't die as quickly or as easily. That is all. Sorry Form, but you can't sell me that Kool-aid anymore! 
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Some rounds are just more than what yopu'd exspect.
For me it starts with the .250-3000. I know it's barely more than a .243 balistically, but the performance is dramatically different. There is no way the .250 is equal to the .243....it's so much more....and I'd actually place it as side-by-side with the .270. At long range (300+ yards) the .25-06 and .270 start to show their stuff, but at under 200 yards the .250 is just as good or better. Can't explain it with balistics, but it's there.
From what I've seen while hunting deer with family and friends is that there's NO DIFFERENCE in how well any of the cartridges you mention kill. They are all light recoiling and accurate with reasonably flat trajectories. They encourage good shooting through their mellow manners. Bullets in .24 - .27 cal are largely designed with deer sized game in mind. It's no surprise to me that you're so happy with your .250, it's a cool little cartridge! So is the .243, the 6mm Rem, the .257 Roberts, etc... No, I've noticed no particular magic associated with any particular member of that tribe. They all do well. Enjoy your favorite cartridge. That's GREAT! Regards, Guy
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The 9.3x62 performs some big jobs for an '06 sized action and bolt face. It does .375 work in three pounds less gun and five in the magazine. For 95% of my hunting it can't be beat.
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The working man's magnum aka .425 Westley Richards.
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Theres no magic. It's bullet construction, velocity level, and bore diameter.
But great bullets can make a cartridge perform out of its class.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Bore diameter I think gets overlooked in many such discussions. Holes kill game animals. Bigger holes might just do that a little more effectively. Larger diameter bullets can help there.
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Bore diameter I think gets overlooked in many such discussions. Holes kill game animals. Bigger holes might just do that a little more effectively. Larger diameter bullets can help there. They certainly do not do less damage.
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.223....didn't exspect much.....and got what I exspected.
I'll bet your parents (brother/sister) got EXACTLY what they expected. I [bleep] retard.
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Yes the .223, .22-250 and the .220 Swift with premium big game bullets.
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Bore diameter I think gets overlooked in many such discussions. Holes kill game animals. Bigger holes might just do that a little more effectively. Larger diameter bullets can help there. Bore diameter don't count for schit when it comes to killing deer. If it did my .50 Hawken would put them down quicker than my .243, my .35 and .44 woulda been more effectice than my .30-30 and so on. It simply ain't so. Put a bullet from any of them through shoulders/spine/brain and they hit the ground right now. Poke one through the lungs and they generally run 40 yards or so before they fall over. No magic, no voo-doo no crazy ballistic theory. Just the truth,the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The end.
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Never understood how someone can say an extra mm or 10 grains or 100 fps makes a difference. If I am going to make a step up its going to be much, much bigger or faster. If my .270 does not work I would be reaching for the Whelen, not a .280,.308 etc.
Hunt hard, kill clean, waste nothing and offer no apologies.
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I will say that when I first became interested in guns as a young boy, I drank the Kool-aid and believed that there was some mystical power inherent in certain chamberings. In the decades since, I've realized that the only actual trend is this- when bullets expand in vital organs, things die. When they don't, things don't die as quickly or as easily. That is all.
Trendsetter.
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I hunt with cartridges that are definitely overkill, only because I like them, not because I think I need them.
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True. If it was just "need", a decent-shooting 6.5mm-7mm that made 2,800fps+/- would pretty much handle everything for me.
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True. If it was just "need", a decent-shooting 6.5mm-7mm that made 2,800fps+/- would pretty much handle everything for me. You just described a 140 grain bullet out of a 6.5 Swede, and yes they do seem to do better than the numbers indicate.
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I will say that when I first became interested in guns as a young boy, I drank the Kool-aid and believed that there was some mystical power inherent in certain chamberings. In the decades since, I've realized that the only actual trend is this- when bullets expand in vital organs, things die. When they don't, things don't die as quickly or as easily. That is all.
Trendsetter. Hah! Nice bull, BTW! Congrats!
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