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Can you gut a post mil and fill it with pre mil parts? Obvious safety issues, what else?

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Some individual parts, I'm sure. All of them? Maybe 900,000 series to 99E's. Otherwise you have a conflict with lever safety configuration on a tang safety receiver.


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I have similar problem. I have a post mill 99E stripped receiver with the SN on the side of the receiver and no counter window - it left the factory as q 308 win. I got a bunch of older 99 parts. I guess it will be a learning project... Mel

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You should be OK as long as you use a "long action" carrier group. Pretty much the only difference with a post mil E is the lack of the cartridge counter window. Probably need a bit of hand fitting. wink frown


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Originally Posted by Fireball2
Can you gut a post mil and fill it with pre mil parts? Obvious safety issues, what else?


As long as I live, I'll just never understand. Why would anyone want to buy a rifle and immediately start dicking with it? You buy a "project", and do whatever it is you plan to do with it. YOU still have a non-original rifle in a non-"original" configuration. There are literally thousands of original shooters out there to be had. When I get home from work I want to shoot my guns not work on them as well. I understand to each his own. This is just my cut on it. FWIW.


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Originally Posted by Longbeardking
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Can you gut a post mil and fill it with pre mil parts? Obvious safety issues, what else?
As long as I live, I'll just never understand. Why would anyone want to buy a rifle and immediately start dicking with it? You buy a "project", and do whatever it is you plan to do with it. YOU still have a non-original rifle in a non-"original" configuration. There are literally thousands of original shooters out there to be had. When I get home from work I want to shoot my guns not work on them as well. I understand to each his own. This is just my cut on it. FWIW.


So says the man who built his own Stith, despite the fact there are tens of thousands of originals out there. grin


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That's correct. But I "thought" we were talking rifles. My re-pro Stith will never be for sale. Nor with the Lyman 54 I made. I'm not dissing anyone for doing it, I just think of a rifle as a thing of engineering brilliance. I would rather have one in original used condition than one that has been worked on. It's just me and "to each his own". BTW, try building a Stith or a 54. Once you do, you'll quickly realize a deep respect of the craftsmen of a hundred years ago. Everything was done manually. Today all you need is a measurement and a computer aided machine. Stand back and watch. Thanks for the reply, Rory.


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Originally Posted by Skidrow
You should be OK as long as you use a "long action" carrier group. Pretty much the only difference with a post mil E is the lack of the cartridge counter window. Probably need a bit of hand fitting. wink frown

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The safety difference makes interchange between post-mill tang safety receivers and pre-mill internals a no-go because you'll have a firearm with no functioning safety. The whole sear assembly being the critical difference between the two. (I'd love to see the internals of one of those dual safety aftermarket tang safeties fit to a pre-mill though!)

Much as I hate to admit it, I have to agree with LBK on this one. At some point the tinkerbell effect becomes absurd, or worse, dangerous!

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For the record, I have no project in hand or mind, I'm just curious how many parts interchange. JeffG educated me on the 284 receiver being different than the rest. I was curious if basic pre and post mil receivers had differences (besides safeties).



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Originally Posted by Calhoun
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Can you gut a post mil and fill it with pre mil parts? Obvious safety issues, what else?
As long as I live, I'll just never understand. Why would anyone want to buy a rifle and immediately start dicking with it? You buy a "project", and do whatever it is you plan to do with it. YOU still have a non-original rifle in a non-"original" configuration. There are literally thousands of original shooters out there to be had. When I get home from work I want to shoot my guns not work on them as well. I understand to each his own. This is just my cut on it. FWIW.


So says the man who built his own Stith, despite the fact there are tens of thousands of originals out there. grin


Yeah, Everybody has an opinion. crazy When someone's (no names) 99 needs work that same someone will be looking for a guy to fix it that has spent a great deal of time on the inside of one, working on them, rather than just shooting them.


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Originally Posted by Fireball2
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Originally Posted by Fireball2
Can you gut a post mil and fill it with pre mil parts? Obvious safety issues, what else?


The sear and trigger arrangement are totally different. There's not enough interchangeability to even consider it. Move on to the next daydream.


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Are the receivers machined the same, again, with the exception of the safety?

edited to add- JUST CURIOUS. Not trying to get anyone's hackles up by asking a simple question.

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No. The magazine was changed at 900,000 and is like the post mil in that respect so it depends on which pre mil SN range we are talking about. But, it's still not worth considering.


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Are the receivers machined the same, again, with the exception of the safety?


No. Even with the E which is almost a pre-mil there are differences. The cocked indicator is larger. The screw that locks the carrier group in place is larger. Through in the tang safety and you open up a whole 'nother can of worms. I'm sure that there are a few other differences that I've forgotten to mention.


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COME ON MAN!

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Geez, if this disturbs you then take time to look at what mil-surp collectors are doing to 1903 and 03A3 Springfields. I bet there have been more of them torn down and reconfigured in garages and on kitchen tables in the name of "correcting" than the U.S. Government did in two world war's worth of rebuilding programs! It really does cast a pall of suspicion on all such rifles you look at in the future.


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Are the receivers machined the same, again, with the exception of the safety?


No. Even with the E which is almost a pre-mil there are differences. The cocked indicator is larger. The screw that locks the carrier group in place is larger. Through in the tang safety and you open up a whole 'nother can of worms. I'm sure that there are a few other differences that I've forgotten to mention.


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You're welcome Roy. Still no warm showers though! wink grin


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