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Not a chance, Gene.

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Who exactly would vote for Cruz? Where are the votes coming from?

52% of the vote is now Women, Cruz won't carry that majority

The minority vote exceeded the white vote in 2012 and Cruz won't carry that majority.

The 30 and under vote is now 80% Liberal, Cruz won't carry that vote.

The hope may be there folks but the NUMBERS ain't.


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Originally Posted by tjm10025
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I love Cruz. Cruz isn't in the top 3.


People who post in this forum aren't exactly a representative cross-section of the American electorate.




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I know that.

They're the ones we need to have the debate with, though. I don't need to waste my energies on folks who agree with me.

I'm trying to convince the dumb [bleep] who think I'm a dumb [bleep].


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Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
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Cruz, a tea party favorite who is considering a presidential bid, said his party needs to nominate a "strong conservative" to win back the White House in 2016. If not, Hillary Clinton will be president, he said in an interview on CNBC.

When asked if former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is too far to the left to fit the conservative bill, the junior senator from Texas said he is a "fan of Jeb Bush�s" but added that "we need to learn from history."

"We need to look to history and what works and what doesn�t and the one thing is clear is if Republicans run another candidate in the mold of a Bob Dole, or a John McCain, or a Mitt Romney � and let me be clear, all three of those are good, honorable men. They�re decent men. They�re patriots," Cruz said. "But if we run another candidate in the mold of a Bob Dole, or a John McCain, or Mitt Romney, we will end up with the same result, which is millions of people will stay home on Election Day."


When I said this a couple of jackasses accused me of voting for obama and/or staying home. I think the poor idiots making those remarks to me do not understand what a Conservative is, or standing on principle.


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Standing on principle is akin to committing suicide....only the principled end up dead.


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Principle wins no elections. The arrogance of one's principle, while noble, wins no elections either. It could affect them to some extent, admittedly.

The candidate capable of garnering over 100 million votes wins elections.

In our lifetime, principled voters will not affect that reality.





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Originally Posted by isaac
Principle wins no elections. The arrogance of one's principle, while noble, wins no elections either. It could affect them to some extent, admittedly.

The candidate capable of garnering over 100 million votes wins elections.

In our lifetime, principled voters will not affect that reality.



How did having principles become arrogant?


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In my opinion Rich, it becomes arrogance when you voted for the candidate you know hasn't any chance of beating the nominee you clearly don't want in office.

It's ok for principle to factor common sense into the equation.


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Standing on personal �principle� means one put self above the greater good.

I respect principle, I understand principle but the mess we are in can�t be solved by principle.

How foolish is it to believe the Country can turn Conservative with one election. The insidious damage that has been inflicted to America has literally been afflicted by the death of a thousand cuts.

50 years of Liberalism has changed America. I�m not ready to give up, nor should anyone here, but I am acutely aware that the numbers are heavily against us.

So, where do we start? Some States are hanging on better than others but the weight of the Federal Government will eventually render all 50 of them impotent.

So fix the Federal Government first.

Obama fully intends on running amok his last two years. Immigration will be rammed down our throats and many more of his leftist agendas.

A Republican controlled Senate can stand in the way. If your Candidate is Conservative that�s perfect. If not then one must put aside principle for the good of all and still pull that Republican lever. The Democrats simply must lose control of the Senate.

A Republican controlled Senate can stop Obama from putting Socialists on the Federal and the Supreme Court. Again, for the good of all pull that Republican lever. The Democrats simply must lose control of the Senate.

The Republican Party, what�s left of it, did not become eviscerated because they failed to nominate Conservatives. They were done in by Liberal Schools, done in by Liberal media, done in by immigrants, done in by Public Employees and a whole host of those who prosper by taking away what the Taxpayers have earned.

So here we are today, badly outnumbered. A Conservative could be nominated but it would be simply one more soldier at the Alamo.

It took 50 years to get here and it quite frankly may well take 50 years to get out of this mess....if at all.

But it will need to be done as slowly and as insidious as the liberals have done it to us. But we need to start and we need to hold our nose once in awhile.

Sucks that it is that way but reality sucks.

Principles may need to be bent a bit. The Country can�t continue to back slide. Get rid of the Democrats with Moderate Republicans then get rid of Moderate Republicans with Conservative ones. If that can be pulled of there is no doubt that I and many others here will be long dead. But to stand on principle and allow a Socialist to be elected over a Moderate Republican is, as I said, akin to suicide. It only makes things worse.

I hope all of you stop for a minute and realize just how close this Country is to going over the edge to Socialism....

We can�t let that happen.




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Don't you think we need to send the grand ole party a clear message that watered down socialists are - how do we say - not our cup of tea?
I always said McCain and then Romney were my favorite democrats, but I didn't want them for president. I think that I voted for both is my fault for thinking the same - that if I didn't I was helping obama. Not this time. The party needs to represent me or I'll take my vote elsewhere until they get the message.


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Originally Posted by RichardAustin
... what a Conservative is, or standing on principle.


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Don't you think we need to send the grand ole party a clear message that watered down socialists are - how do we say - not our cup of tea?
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Nah! I just need to be one of the 205 million who vote for 1 of 2 folks who have chance.

If you, and gents like KWFA, vote for a candidate who gets 500K votes and you've done so for a few elections,please tell me what your principle did for us in the last two elections.



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Well, I have fallen in line and voted for McCain and Romney, and I will ask you what I have asked myself - what good did that do beyond telling the GOP anybody they put in front of me I'll vote for.


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So if the Republicans nominate a "Conservative" and they lose would you ask the same question?


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And BTW, McCain's and Romney's defeat were not the result of them not being Conservative. It was a clear math example of how left the Country actually is and how difficult it is to get even a Moderate elected as President.


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Originally Posted by isaac
Actually, he doesn't.

This makes Jeb better?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...uld-Pass-Amnesty-if-They-Win-Back-Senate


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Again...it ain't good, better or best....

It's electability....


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That was said about Romney...


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Originally Posted by RichardAustin
Well, I have fallen in line and voted for McCain and Romney, and I will ask you what I have asked myself - what good did that do beyond telling the GOP anybody they put in front of me I'll vote for.

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Fair question.

McCain sucked even though he was my dad's classmate and had my respect. He was not my candidate choice.

Romney was and he got both my money and my vote.

All I knew was this. McCain and Romney, the only two who had a viable chance of beating Obama,were the only two men who had a chance of garnering the 100 million votes plus it took to insure Obama didn't give us what he has given us. I then voted for those men.They had a viable chance.

Please tell me what a vote for a 500K candidate did for our country other than appease the arrogance of principled voters.

I dumped about 12K into the 2012 campaign. Lost my ass straight down the line. Romney was our only hope of winning, right? Yeah, ask me to vote for a man who wasn't even allowed in the debates.

Here's my principle. The GOP platform beats the DNC platform.





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Jeb could likely do well with Hispanics and win Florida.


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