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Why do people constantly post in this section on how you could rather sneak up on animals when hunting? Is it not pretty clear when you click on this link that the discussion is going to be LONG RANGE HUNTING?
I am not for one moment saying an unskilled person should pick up his rifle and start shooting animals at long range, but that is pretty obvious and not something that we are not aware of.
There are guys with very strong opinions against LRH and some have no idea how much time some guys on the forum spend behind their rifles and still think they think they know exactly how well everyone can shoot. I personally think many of them measures it up against their own ability and not that of experienced guys.
Yes, there are a few stupid posts and there will always be, but hi-jacking just about every post and spoiling a good discussion is childish and probably because of a self esteem problem.
I am not saying constructive feedback is a problem as we learn from one another, which is a good thing, but generalizing and putting out strong opinions on something or someone you know nothing about is just making this forum quite unpleasant at times and very unnecessary.
I think, spend more time shooting with someone that shoots well at long range and then come back with your opinions.
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Is this a prairie goat "call out" thread? LOL
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One should not assume that the folks who have negative views towards long range hunting have any less experience than the proponents. In fact the opposite is often the case.
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I wouldn't say that often those that have negative feelings have experience, in fact I've never met one that does. Everyone that I know that does have great experience with distance shooting and hunting in general, DO have a big problem with inexperienced, and ill trained LR shooters that often have very little general killing experience because it leads to all kinds of nonsense.
Of course those same people cause all kinds of nonsense inside of 200 as well.
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I wouldn't say that often those that have negative feelings have experience, in fact I've never met one that does. I 100% disagree. Everyone that I know that does have great experience with distance shooting and hunting in general, DO have a big problem with inexperienced, and ill trained LR shooters that often have very little general killing experience because it leads to all kinds of nonsense.
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I"ve yet to meet someone that was anti long range, that had any experience with it to the level I do.
In fact almost all the guys I shot with, a large majority kill game at whatever distances they feel comfortable with in a given situation, IE they know their limits BECAUSE they shoot a lot. And at long ranges.
The ones I hear complain may shoot longer distances at times but have never been anywhere near talented or accomplished in longer distances.
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Yes, there are a few stupid posts and there will always be, but hi-jacking just about every post and spoiling a good discussion is childish and probably because of a self esteem problem.
I am not saying constructive feedback is a problem as we learn from one another, which is a good thing, but generalizing and putting out strong opinions on something or someone you know nothing about is just making this forum quite unpleasant at times and very unnecessary. Manners are not moderated into 24hcf, and the result on LRH is more spoilers than sincere contributors. There are lots of other forums moderated heavily by double digit IQ opinionated control freaks. So your choice is to 1) skim past the bulk of useless posts filled with juvenile criticism here or 2) post elsewhere, where your posts must be consistent with a book written by a nit wit gun writer that some nit wit moderator read. I think you will be back here skipping over posts by obnoxious drunks. In the end, who is to say what is baby and what is bathwater? Many of the readers may think the bad manners is the best part.
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I say we go shoot something tomorrow, just because we can. Saturday morning I'll be hiking the ridge with the intent to kill.
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I say we go shoot something tomorrow, just because we can. Saturday morning I'll be hiking the ridge with the intent to kill. Excellent suggestion  I have a few hunts coming up before the end of the year. Great way to create more stories! Pieter
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98% of the general populace doesn't have a clue as to the capabilities of a rifle in the hands of a great shooter!!
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IMHO I honestly believe that the reason long range hunting gets negative feedback is because it's referred to as "long range hunting". Why have a seperate designation and product lines and tv shows named after it. I have no problem with hunters shooting animals at whatever range they are comfortable and competent to shoot at. The distinction between "hunting" and "LR hunting" makes people assume that the goal is to shoot animals as far away as possible without attempting to close the distance and a lot of people find that unethical. This year I've done a lot of practice to extend my comfortable shooting distance but I still just refer to myself as a hunter and I'll always close the gap as much as possible. I've only watched a couple of LR hunting shows and they didn't do much to help with that reputation. There was no attempt to close the distance, the goal was clearly to try and kill animals at very long ranges and that's the way it was marketed. So the whole thing comes across as long range target practice on living targets even though that's not always the case.
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IMHO I honestly believe that the reason long range hunting gets negative feedback is because it's referred to as "long range hunting". ...
The distinction between "hunting" and "LR hunting" makes people assume that the goal is to shoot animals as far away as possible without attempting to close the distance...
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So the whole thing comes across as long range target practice on living targets even though that's not always the case. Excellent and perceptive post, even though it is a bit naive. You nailed it exactly with this sentence: The distinction between "hunting" and "LR hunting" makes people assume that the goal is to shoot animals as far away as possible without attempting to close the distance...
That is precisely the goal as expressed overall in this forum. For confirmation just read recent titles of threads in this forum, and a random sampling of posts, starting with the first sentence of the original post that started this thread.
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Sunday I'll be shooting 400 and 500 yard targets. That's a loooong way for me.
You guys who can put a bullet where you want it to go out to 1,000 yards impress the hell out of me.
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Fact is, a 12 yo with a little bit of instruction and trigger time can impress the hell out of most "do-littles" at 1K..........Bullets, barrels, rangefinders, scopes, turrets, and dad's withstanding!
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Fact is, a 12 yo with a little bit of instruction and trigger time can impress the hell out of most "do-littles" at 1K..........Bullets, barrels, rangefinders, scopes, turrets, and dad's withstanding!
X-VERMINATOR Send some of that equipment and instruction my way. I haven't impressed anyone in a long time. P
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Wasn't directed at you PS.......Just a comment based on observation. This stuff really isn't as hard as the Gen. Pop. makes it.........
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Point is, bullets, barrels, rangefinders, scopes, and shooting systems is what this forum is all about......Ethics has absolutely nothing to do with it. Those who "can" will, and those who "can't", fail to even imagine!!"
It's not a matter of ability as much as it's a matter of simply opening the mind............................Everything else exists!!
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Point is, bullets, barrels, rangefinders, scopes, and shooting systems is what this forum is all about......Ethics has absolutely nothing to do with it.X-VERMINATOR Long range hunting forum. I.e. Ethics has nothing to do with shooting at live animals... not at long range anyway.  You may have overstated what you meant to say and we should give more folks the benefit of the doubt around here.
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No, not at all.......but 500yds ain't what it used to be!
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Point is, bullets, barrels, rangefinders, scopes, and shooting systems is what this forum is all about......Ethics has absolutely nothing to do with it. Of course it does.
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IMHO I honestly believe that the reason long range hunting gets negative feedback is because it's referred to as "long range hunting". ...
The distinction between "hunting" and "LR hunting" makes people assume that the goal is to shoot animals as far away as possible without attempting to close the distance...
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So the whole thing comes across as long range target practice on living targets even though that's not always the case. Excellent and perceptive post, even though it is a bit naive. You nailed it exactly with this sentence: The distinction between "hunting" and "LR hunting" makes people assume that the goal is to shoot animals as far away as possible without attempting to close the distance...
That is precisely the goal as expressed overall in this forum. For confirmation just read recent titles of threads in this forum, and a random sampling of posts, starting with the first sentence of the original post that started this thread. Yep!
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Point is, bullets, barrels, rangefinders, scopes, and shooting systems is what this forum is all about......Ethics has absolutely nothing to do with it. Of course it does. Bull $hit, I think you confuse common sense and bad decisions with ethics. What the [bleep] is ethics in hunting anyway?.......The goal as a hunter is to put meat on the ground, I could give a [bleep] how many shots it takes, what you, the animal, or tree huggers think..........I could just as easily [bleep] up a 75yrd shot as I could a 750yrd shot, depends on the circumstances, all part of hunting! Seven hundred and fifty yards definitely ain't what it used to be though! X-VERMINATOR
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What exactly is ethical, the thrill of the kill or the stalk? Taking an animals life and then calling it a Trophy? I personally hunt for meat and when I take the life of something I thank the creator for the food. Different than how 99% out there hunt. The truth is man has taken there extreme view to the point of slaughtering one another into the 100s of millions in the last 100 years. Man is the most aggressive killingest beast on this planet and he wants to talk about moral value. I find it ironic! And I need more advice on my 300 win mag thread. Shod
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I think there should be a separate forum on HUNTING ETHICS where guys can express their opinions on ethics or simply add a link to a discussion if they feel like it.
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There is an implied ethical standard of conduct in a hunting forum. Examples include: that animals are taken in as humane a way as possible given the circumstances, as well as being taken in a legal manner.
If you want to start a hunting ethics forum, go for it. Otherwise it is a very important portion of any conversation involving hunting, and should be a part of the forum.
Besides, the ethical question is not only potentially more important (the answers having repercussions which could affect our future as hunters), but is also a better discussion/argument than "What scope is best" or "My bullet is better than yours".
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I think the term "long range hunting" is a bit of an oxymoron because it sort of implies that you would not shoot an animal at short range. It implies the hunter is handicapping themselves and that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
It is difficult to attend the Icebreaker shoot and leave, saying people should not shoot at long range. Reason being is that steel from 1,000yds in, get the ever living schit shot out of it all day, everyday, and that is while shooting very far from ideal conditions and includes a fairly diverse group of shooters and equipment on the firing line.
I shoot at a public range almost exclusively and typically shoot 3 days a week. I enjoy shooting at a public range because it often makes me the center of attention and I also talk a lot. It is pretty rare to meet a shooter that will consistently hit steel past the 300. And I would say one out of 10 shooters connects at the 300 and below 100% of the time. I'm not trying to sound like a snob, but that is what I have observed in a fairly gun savvy community.
I have had a number of shooters ask about my rifle and equipment after they hear the steel consistently ring a few long seconds after I fire. They rarely listen to a single fugging thing I say and basically tune out once they figure out they cannot buy the entire package at Big R.
I am also frequently asked why I don't use a wind gauge. When I explain it does no good due to the wind shifting direction three times (wind is brutal at our range as the targets lay at the bottom of a coulee) people typically look at me as though I'm a moron. Which could be true, but so is what I tell them about the wind.
At the end of the day, shooting long range makes you a better shooter. Period. The better you are, the better you are. Period.
I don't mean to sound like a prick but the vast majority of shooters and hunters I meet are morons. And I mean, really fugging stupid. Both ethically, fiscally, physically, mentally, etc. When you get really stupid people trying to shoot animals far away, bad things happen. But guess what? When you try to get really stupid people to shoot anything at any distance, really bad things happen. If you doubt this, go check out youtube for an hour or two.
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I can guaranfockingtee He doesn't have to dope wind. The correct answer is "he would eat fish and manna." What is manna? Don't worry about it. You sinning fugg. Travis
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I think the term "long range hunting" is a bit of an oxymoron because it sort of implies that you would not shoot an animal at short range. It implies the hunter is handicapping themselves and that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
It is difficult to attend the Icebreaker shoot and leave, saying people should not shoot at long range. Reason being is that steel from 1,000yds in, get the ever living schit shot out of it all day, everyday, and that is while shooting very far from ideal conditions and includes a fairly diverse group of shooters and equipment on the firing line.
I shoot at a public range almost exclusively and typically shoot 3 days a week. I enjoy shooting at a public range because it often makes me the center of attention and I also talk a lot. It is pretty rare to meet a shooter that will consistently hit steel past the 300. And I would say one out of 10 shooters connects at the 300 and below 100% of the time. I'm not trying to sound like a snob, but that is what I have observed in a fairly gun savvy community.
I have had a number of shooters ask about my rifle and equipment after they hear the steel consistently ring a few long seconds after I fire. They rarely listen to a single fugging thing I say and basically tune out once they figure out they cannot buy the entire package at Big R.
I am also frequently asked why I don't use a wind gauge. When I explain it does no good due to the wind shifting direction three times (wind is brutal at our range as the targets lay at the bottom of a coulee) people typically look at me as though I'm a moron. Which could be true, but so is what I tell them about the wind.
At the end of the day, shooting long range makes you a better shooter. Period. The better you are, the better you are. Period.
I don't mean to sound like a prick but the vast majority of shooters and hunters I meet are morons. And I mean, really fugging stupid. Both ethically, fiscally, physically, mentally, etc. When you get really stupid people trying to shoot animals far away, bad things happen. But guess what? When you try to get really stupid people to shoot anything at any distance, really bad things happen. If you doubt this, go check out youtube for an hour or two.
At the end of the day, they still make Budweiser and that is all that really matters.
Travis This post should be a sticky. Absolutely dead on. Its funny, I have not shot competitively for years now, going on 9 I think. I still take a wind speed meter with me while hunting. Just to verify. And I"m not talking long shots these days because I'm out of practice, unless it were to be wind still. But its funny, I can sit somewhere with wind blowing and just sit and glass all the indicators, and pull out the wind gauge and its generally about what I thought it would be. As to it changing, especially in a coulee.... yeah most folks would be amazed... I've sat on a gun trying to shoot a shot at paper at longer ranges, the shot prior was center, but it starts changing so often you can't change your sights and shoot wihtout it changing again... this can go on for minutes. I never was good at favoring with irons, but can with a scope, but with irons we shot competition... Travis, great post! Jeff
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I think the term "long range hunting" is a bit of an oxymoron because it sort of implies that you would not shoot an animal at short range. It implies the hunter is handicapping themselves and that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
It is difficult to attend the Icebreaker shoot and leave, saying people should not shoot at long range. Reason being is that steel from 1,000yds in, get the ever living schit shot out of it all day, everyday, and that is while shooting very far from ideal conditions and includes a fairly diverse group of shooters and equipment on the firing line.
I shoot at a public range almost exclusively and typically shoot 3 days a week. I enjoy shooting at a public range because it often makes me the center of attention and I also talk a lot. It is pretty rare to meet a shooter that will consistently hit steel past the 300. And I would say one out of 10 shooters connects at the 300 and below 100% of the time. I'm not trying to sound like a snob, but that is what I have observed in a fairly gun savvy community.
I have had a number of shooters ask about my rifle and equipment after they hear the steel consistently ring a few long seconds after I fire. They rarely listen to a single fugging thing I say and basically tune out once they figure out they cannot buy the entire package at Big R.
I am also frequently asked why I don't use a wind gauge. When I explain it does no good due to the wind shifting direction three times (wind is brutal at our range as the targets lay at the bottom of a coulee) people typically look at me as though I'm a moron. Which could be true, but so is what I tell them about the wind.
At the end of the day, shooting long range makes you a better shooter. Period. The better you are, the better you are. Period.
I don't mean to sound like a prick but the vast majority of shooters and hunters I meet are morons. And I mean, really fugging stupid. Both ethically, fiscally, physically, mentally, etc. When you get really stupid people trying to shoot animals far away, bad things happen. But guess what? When you try to get really stupid people to shoot anything at any distance, really bad things happen. If you doubt this, go check out youtube for an hour or two.
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Travis Spot on and numerous to boot.
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I prefer to avoid public ranges and gun shops if I can get something online. The same thing around here regarding the majority of hunters and shooters being morons. I often think those clueless guys that talks load enough so the whole building can hear them on how they made that running head shot or how everything smaller than a 375H&H is insufficient has small penises  Best thing about hunting and shooting is, it is not a team sport! Pieter
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I agree mostly on team sport. Wife and I did enjoy team shooting for our state at the nationals. But it was different. A different level of folks with sense.
Me, I'm with you, I hate public ranges. I don't like gun shows or gun stores.
I"d just as soon do my own research and just order what I want and go from there. I get a lot better advice than from some stores.
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I think the term "long range hunting" is a bit of an oxymoron because it sort of implies that you would not shoot an animal at short range. It implies the hunter is handicapping themselves and that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
It is difficult to attend the Icebreaker shoot and leave, saying people should not shoot at long range. Reason being is that steel from 1,000yds in, get the ever living schit shot out of it all day, everyday, and that is while shooting very far from ideal conditions and includes a fairly diverse group of shooters and equipment on the firing line.
I shoot at a public range almost exclusively and typically shoot 3 days a week. I enjoy shooting at a public range because it often makes me the center of attention and I also talk a lot. It is pretty rare to meet a shooter that will consistently hit steel past the 300. And I would say one out of 10 shooters connects at the 300 and below 100% of the time. I'm not trying to sound like a snob, but that is what I have observed in a fairly gun savvy community.
I have had a number of shooters ask about my rifle and equipment after they hear the steel consistently ring a few long seconds after I fire. They rarely listen to a single fugging thing I say and basically tune out once they figure out they cannot buy the entire package at Big R.
I am also frequently asked why I don't use a wind gauge. When I explain it does no good due to the wind shifting direction three times (wind is brutal at our range as the targets lay at the bottom of a coulee) people typically look at me as though I'm a moron. Which could be true, but so is what I tell them about the wind.
At the end of the day, shooting long range makes you a better shooter. Period. The better you are, the better you are. Period.
I don't mean to sound like a prick but the vast majority of shooters and hunters I meet are morons. And I mean, really fugging stupid. Both ethically, fiscally, physically, mentally, etc. When you get really stupid people trying to shoot animals far away, bad things happen. But guess what? When you try to get really stupid people to shoot anything at any distance, really bad things happen. If you doubt this, go check out youtube for an hour or two.
At the end of the day, they still make Budweiser and that is all that really matters.
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rost, I only referred to, if it was purely a team sport then you might have ended up with one of those individuals (but guess you know what I meant) It is great that we can practice what we love without stupid people interfering while we are doing it. Pieter
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Once in a while Travis gets lucky. The secret is to just keep firin'... grin. GFY. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I think the term "long range hunting" is a bit of an oxymoron because it sort of implies that you would not shoot an animal at short range. It implies the hunter is handicapping themselves and that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
It is difficult to attend the Icebreaker shoot and leave, saying people should not shoot at long range. Reason being is that steel from 1,000yds in, get the ever living schit shot out of it all day, everyday, and that is while shooting very far from ideal conditions and includes a fairly diverse group of shooters and equipment on the firing line.
I shoot at a public range almost exclusively and typically shoot 3 days a week. I enjoy shooting at a public range because it often makes me the center of attention and I also talk a lot. It is pretty rare to meet a shooter that will consistently hit steel past the 300. And I would say one out of 10 shooters connects at the 300 and below 100% of the time. I'm not trying to sound like a snob, but that is what I have observed in a fairly gun savvy community.
I have had a number of shooters ask about my rifle and equipment after they hear the steel consistently ring a few long seconds after I fire. They rarely listen to a single fugging thing I say and basically tune out once they figure out they cannot buy the entire package at Big R.
I am also frequently asked why I don't use a wind gauge. When I explain it does no good due to the wind shifting direction three times (wind is brutal at our range as the targets lay at the bottom of a coulee) people typically look at me as though I'm a moron. Which could be true, but so is what I tell them about the wind.
At the end of the day, shooting long range makes you a better shooter. Period. The better you are, the better you are. Period.
I don't mean to sound like a prick but the vast majority of shooters and hunters I meet are morons. And I mean, really fugging stupid. Both ethically, fiscally, physically, mentally, etc. When you get really stupid people trying to shoot animals far away, bad things happen. But guess what? When you try to get really stupid people to shoot anything at any distance, really bad things happen. If you doubt this, go check out youtube for an hour or two.
At the end of the day, they still make Budweiser and that is all that really matters.
Travis Spot on and numerous to boot. NFW. Budweiser?? Come on, man!
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Its funny, I have not shot competitively for years now, going on 9 I think. I still take a wind speed meter with me while hunting. Just to verify. And I"m not talking long shots these days because I'm out of practice, unless it were to be wind still.
But its funny, I can sit somewhere with wind blowing and just sit and glass all the indicators, and pull out the wind gauge and its generally about what I thought it would be.
I in no way think wind meters are useless I just enjoy shooting without one. Plus I'm lazy and I always forget schit and by not using a wind meter I have one less thing to carry or lose. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I in no way think wind meters are useless I just enjoy shooting without one. Plus I'm lazy and I always forget schit and by not using a wind meter I have one less thing to carry or lose.
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At the end of the day, shooting long range makes you a better shooter. Period. The better you are, the better you are. Period.
Travis
This is true, but the corollary to that hypothesis is to get a 222 magnum and you don't have to practice. Just show up with 4 or 5 of them and watch the people gather round for tutorial instruction while numbed in awe...
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I carry a wind gauge as a training tool but by the time I am in the field hunting it is no longer an aspect of training, I am expected to perform on demand. If I have not learned the difference between a 10 or 15mph wind on the range it will be a bit rough trying to apply it in the field.
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"I wouldn't say that often those that have negative feelings have experience, in fact I've never met one that does."
"Yes, there are a few stupid posts and there will always be, but hi-jacking just about every post and spoiling a good discussion is childish and probably because of a self esteem problem."
"I"ve yet to meet someone that was anti long range, that had any experience with it to the level I do."
"98% of the general populace doesn't have a clue as to the capabilities of a rifle in the hands of a great shooter!!"
"I don't mean to sound like a prick but the vast majority of shooters and hunters I meet are morons. And I mean, really fugging stupid. Both ethically, fiscally, physically, mentally, etc."
"The same thing around here regarding the majority of hunters and shooters being morons."
"It is great that we can practice what we love without stupid people interfering while we are doing it."
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I don't mean to sound like a prick but the vast majority of shooters and hunters I meet are morons. And I mean, really fugging stupid. Both ethically, fiscally, physically, mentally, etc.
Travis
Yep, they're probably too fuggin' stupid to sort out head-stamps and roll-stamps........ TFF.
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If you hire a guide, the first thing he will do is set up a target to see how close he has to get you to the game.... or find out your gun doesn't work.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway
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What's odd is people that think a guy that can shoot steel at 1000 yds cannot hit anything closer.
I practiced to 1000 all summer. Snuck up and shot my antelope at 100 due to 20 mph wind.
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