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I have used my swaro to range antelope at 1122 yards.


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Your friend, Pat, is an acquaintance of mine. You may want to ask him

How would he know how often you miss and how you can read the wind?


He's seen me shoot and is aware of how I stack up against some of the best in the Country in open competition. That pretty much sums up how often I miss and the quality of my wind reading skills. The other great thing is that it has been documented for anyone who wants to know.

Never have blown a leg off.

Why do you have such a hard on?



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Well, I don't have a hard-on for long-range shooters, I respect the work that goes into it. And I agree with everything that's been said about slobs being slobs regardless of the range they shoot at, and about more game being wounded at 200 yards and under than long range.

Long-range shooters practice more and good ones can hit at long range much more consistently than your average hunter can hit at short or moderate ranges. And sometimes no matter what the range, stuff happens. I knew a very accomplished old-timer who used to say "if you haven't missed, you either haven't hunted a lot or you're not trying hard enough." And I never knew him to miss. He wasn't careless or unethical, just truthful.

But I'm still skeptical of the 1,000 yard chip shot, granted I'm talking hunting animals in the field, not steel at the range. And maybe it boils down to what you mean by "chip shot," to me, it means pretty much a sure thing.

There have been two threads on this forum this season by good long range shooters who had first shot misses at around 1,000 yards, one due to the wind read and one due to the animal moving after it was ranged. I'm not being critical, just making an observation.

If either shot had been at 300, then the wind and range wouldn't have mattered, and they would have been true chip shots.

That would seem to take 1,000 yard shots out of the chip shot realm.



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Originally Posted by rcamuglia
In zero wind it is a chipshot.....



I'll say it again. For anyone who has verified drop data for his load, the above is true.

See, wind is THE thing in long range shooting. It's variable. Drop data changes with atmosphere, which is known at your location. If you aren't accounting for atmospheric changes and the resulting drop data, well...

Let's go as far as to say the 1000 yard shot is in a "tunnel"

How much easier could it get?


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When was the last time you hunted in a tunnel?

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You can't make an amazing shot, if you don't take an amazing shot.

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Not to hijack this thread, but where are the big mule deer picks GH?

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I did shoot a mule deer last week. I don't shoot steel. I did take 2 shots with this rifle this fall - one to check the zero, the other to take the buck.
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Thanks.....Very nice....

Congrats.

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Originally Posted by Greenhorn
I did shoot a mule deer last week. I don't shoot steel. I did take 2 shots with this rifle this fall - one to check the zero, the other to take the buck.
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Sounds like you're shooting way too much grin

Hell of a deer!


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Sounds like you're shooting way too much grin


I was thinking the same thing.

If I shot that much I would have complete confidence in my scope. But as it is I fired enough rounds to discover the turret or the load is not dependable.


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Originally Posted by rcamuglia
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In zero wind it is a chipshot.....



I'll say it again. For anyone who has verified drop data for his load, the above is true.

See, wind is THE thing in long range shooting......


Actually, wind was only one of THE things that caused the misses at 1000 yards I referred to earlier, but carry on.



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This thread reminds me of a Pigman show I watched. He picked up a big 30 cal based on the 500 Jeffery shooting 208's on the way out to an antelope hunt. I don't think he'd even fired the gun once before trying to take a 900+ yd shot at a middling buck in what looked to be gale force crosswinds. He hit the dirt about a truck-length downwind on the shot. It was pathetic. And everything that can be wrong with the LR game.

These Cally guys, I can't figure out WTF they were doing taking shots in 20+ winds, regardless of the gun or shooter ability. I couldn't do it, and wouldn't dare try. The 500+yd shots I see have air moving in at least two distinct directions because of ridgelines, etc.

I think the wind call is the thing, once load development and zeroing are done, and the trajectory is solved. I can't read wind for [bleep], I'll admit it. I pass on more shots than I take because of that. Some of you guys know your stuff, and can make sense of what the wind does. Do any of you take long shots at animals in 20mph+ winds?


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Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
This thread reminds me of a Pigman show I watched. He picked up a big 30 cal based on the 500 Jeffery shooting 208's on the way out to an antelope hunt. I don't think he'd even fired the gun once before trying to take a 900+ yd shot at a middling buck in what looked to be gale force crosswinds. He hit the dirt about a truck-length downwind on the shot. It was pathetic. And everything that can be wrong with the LR game.

These Cally guys, I can't figure out WTF they were doing taking shots in 20+ winds, regardless of the gun or shooter ability. I couldn't do it, and wouldn't dare try. The 500+yd shots I see have air moving in at least two distinct directions because of ridgelines, etc.

I think the wind call is the thing, once load development and zeroing are done, and the trajectory is solved. I can't read wind for [bleep], I'll admit it. I pass on more shots than I take because of that. Some of you guys know your stuff, and can make sense of what the wind does. Do any of you take long shots at animals in 20mph+ winds?
I am with you, here the wind goes in about three different directions in 500 yds. I spent the whole antelope season trying to figure out how to get to a certain group of goats because of wind... There was not a way to figure out a wind drop because it would switch about every 20 seconds. I waited til a 200 yd. shot presented itself.

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Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
This thread reminds me of a Pigman show I watched. He picked up a big 30 cal based on the 500 Jeffery shooting 208's on the way out to an antelope hunt. I don't think he'd even fired the gun once before trying to take a 900+ yd shot at a middling buck in what looked to be gale force crosswinds. He hit the dirt about a truck-length downwind on the shot. It was pathetic. And everything that can be wrong with the LR game.

These Cally guys, I can't figure out WTF they were doing taking shots in 20+ winds, regardless of the gun or shooter ability. I couldn't do it, and wouldn't dare try. The 500+yd shots I see have air moving in at least two distinct directions because of ridgelines, etc.

I think the wind call is the thing, once load development and zeroing are done, and the trajectory is solved. I can't read wind for [bleep], I'll admit it. I pass on more shots than I take because of that. Some of you guys know your stuff, and can make sense of what the wind does. Do any of you take long shots at animals in 20mph+ winds?



I have shooting buddies who, this year, have killed antelope in 30mph wind at around 1000. One killed a buck at 1503. I don't know the wind situation on that one.

Buddy just texted me a 5 shot group on 1485 yard steel in 12 mph wind that required 3.25 MILS of hold that would fit in the palm of your hand

Phuggging amazing.


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Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
This thread reminds me of a Pigman show I watched. He picked up a big 30 cal based on the 500 Jeffery shooting 208's on the way out to an antelope hunt. I don't think he'd even fired the gun once before trying to take a 900+ yd shot at a middling buck in what looked to be gale force crosswinds. He hit the dirt about a truck-length downwind on the shot. It was pathetic. And everything that can be wrong with the LR game.

These Cally guys, I can't figure out WTF they were doing taking shots in 20+ winds, regardless of the gun or shooter ability. I couldn't do it, and wouldn't dare try. The 500+yd shots I see have air moving in at least two distinct directions because of ridgelines, etc.

I think the wind call is the thing, once load development and zeroing are done, and the trajectory is solved. I can't read wind for [bleep], I'll admit it. I pass on more shots than I take because of that. Some of you guys know your stuff, and can make sense of what the wind does. Do any of you take long shots at animals in 20mph+ winds?



I have shooting buddies who, this year, have killed antelope in 30mph wind at around 1000. One killed a buck at 1503. I don't know the wind situation on that one.

Buddy just texted me a 5 shot group on 1485 yard steel in 12 mph wind that required 3.25 MILS of hold that would fit in the palm of your hand

Phuggging amazing.
That's [bleep] insane! Some guys know their schitt, and have the magic!


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