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http://store.avguns.com/ati-fx45-k-1911-cerakote-fde-brown-45acp/

$575 out the door. Can't pick it up till Tuesday due to the ridiculous 3 day wait.

The slide to frame fit is very exact, and it cycles really smoothly. Maybe the Cerakote finish?

Won't be able to shoot it til later in the week.

Looks like a good one from here. Will look forward to a report on it!

I had the ATI (Philipine) G.I. 1911- ate all the ammo I threw at it with no malfunctions. Best 1911 you'll ever see for $380. This looks like the same Philipine version from the pics, just with way more options. Should be a good gun.

That's a good looking gun. Too bad we don't have Bricktop around to tell everyone how "soft" the Philippine guns are.

That's a whole lot of 1911 for the price. Wouldn't mind picking one up myself.

What happened to Bricktop?

Well, he claimed RIA's were "soft", I called him on it, he couldn't back up anything he said, I and several others provided data contrary to his claims, he called everyone names, got all butt-hurt and left.

I've got no dog in this fight, but apparently Clark Custom Guns thinks that the Philippine made 1911s have soft steel and shouldn't be considered for their 460 Rowland conversion.

I read this when I was looking for a 1911 to convert to 45Super/460 Rowland. I just figure that Clark Custom has to have a pretty good handle on this stuff and avoided the cheap imported 1911s when I made my 1911 purchase.

http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/rowland.htm#faq

Me and Bricktop is chums. Maybe WE can pay you a friendly visit and you'd like to tell him to his face!

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I know we've been down this road before, but it would be interesting to know why Clark also lists the Dan Wesson and the Taurus with RIA as "Undesirable " for the mod. This should be a clue....

It's the opposite - Clark knows what works and sticks with it. They have no interest getting a handle on the entire 1911 market and assuming the risks to save a guy a few hundred bucks on a donor. Also, Clark has a definite preference for hammer forged frames and slides.

What's New!

You mean like left for good, If so we all owe you a big thank you!

Back on topic... is this 1911 from RIA?

Jerry

Shooters Arms Manufacturing (SAM), also manufactured in the Philippines.

Sold by ATI.
See the range report on another thread.

"Clark knows what works and sticks with it." Well, that works for me and my intended uses of my 1911.

I also have a definite preference for forged slides and frames that will stand up to my intended use.

Yup, those Rugers will fall apart in no time at all.

I can't say anything on the frames and slides,but I will tell you of one we had in the range(rental) that went full auto in 400 rounds.The sear and hammer were rounded off,I replaced both with Brownells GI spec and it running again to over 3000 rounds currently...

Oh great, it's the old forged vs cast argument again. I thought we put that to bed years ago.

Who the hell said anything against Ruger and cast frames? Buy whatever you want. I'll do the same.
While you're on the soapbox, why don't you go and tell Clark Custom how to do things that are up to your standards?

Go and try to impress someone else with your BS.

I believe you said, and correct me if I'm wrong, that only forged frames will stand up to your intended use. This was a round-about disparagement of cast components.

So, stick your BS up you azz.

Well, reading comprehension and vocabulary are among your many glaring weaknesses.

I don't round-about anything to anyone. Much less to an internet know-it-all, wanna be tough guy. Go pound sand.

He comprehended what he read

Well, another reading comprehension specialist has joined in. Here's a clue, use a dictionary. Nowhere was it stated that ONLY a forged frame would hold up where a cast frame wouldn't.

In case you don't know what a dictionary is, this is called a definition of the word PREFERENCE from said dictionary:

preference

a preferring or being preferred; greater liking
the right, power, or opportunity of prior choice or claim
something preferred; one's first choice

I know exactly what you said and what it inferred I also know what you didn't say, but that didn't change what you inferred.
Your condescending post don't change a thing.

You still can't read or comprehend, can you? Evidently the definition from a dictionary didn't help.
Too many big words perhaps?

The word is PREFER, not INFER.

Why would you "prefer" if you thought there is no difference? You would not thus "inferred".

Again your condensing post don't help your postion.

Can you say that again, but in English this time?

Study a little harder and you will get it.

Well, we'll try again. Your "preference" is just that, and we have no argument. To go on; however, and say that your preference is the one that will stand up to your intended purpose, is to imply that others will not.

We know that a cast Ruger Bisley, can be made into a pretty awesome magnum, whereas a forged Colt SAA cannot compete, strength wise.

As for buying what we want, I couldn't agree more. My series 70 1911 Gold Cup is a wonderful piece that served well for several years and thousands of rounds in competition. Not all my "Colt" 1911s have been trouble free. Some broke. Some didn't work perfectly from the factory. Though they are normally wonderful guns, they are not; however, worth the prices demanded, based on the Colt name alone, except to those for whom "Name" alone is paramount.

Dude, you seem to be spoiling for a fight. If my one comment constitutes a soapbox, your box must be a mile high - based on your repeated "if it's not a Colt it's a copy" posts. No one here is saying Clark Custom doesn't know what they're doing. What is being implied though, is that you are making assumptions based on very little information.

That fact also holds regarding your personal attack on either Dan or me (I'm not sure which)....



That remark couldn't be more off the mark.

The reading comprehension problem is squarely in your own lap....



It doesn't take an English major or a translator to see what that means, despite the missing comma.

You're in way over your head in this regard and making a fool of yourself. You get into bar fights over misunderstandings a lot?

Back to the subject you brought up... You obviously either missed the whole exchange with Bricktop on this matter or don't care. The obvious and civil response you could have made to my post would be to explain why you prefer forged parts - or ignore it entirely. Based on your chosen response, I'm assuming you have nothing to bring to the discussion that hasn't already been debunked.

FreeMe

You've just encountered an ignorant man. One finds them occasionally. It's still a surprise when it happens, because it doesn't need to be. In a way, it almost seems like Bricktop is back, except despite being a azzwhole, Bricktop was reasonably intelligent.

We have a lot of fun with typos and omissions sometimes. It takes a bit of a mental midget to jump on one or two and make that a point of discussion "proving the writer incorrect", when the meaning is clear to all who actually try to read it and understand the point at hand (and I'm sure I've been guilty of such midgetry a time or two).

Takes the same kind of person to infer from a list of guns that a 'smith chooses not to work on that they are all somehow inferior. In the face of JOG's explanation of said list, that has to be a special sort of someone.

BTW - nice pistola, Dan.

First of all, it was stated that I had no dog in the fight and posted a link to CCG regarding a 460 Rowland conversion on a 1911. No reference was made to any brand of firearm at all. You people started the cast/forged nonsense and went on the attack, armed with nothing but assumptions, false implications and a twisted sense of misguided loyalty to your buddies.

Then you and your buddies got your little girl panties in a knot and took it to a personal level.
One of the experts stated "So, stick your BS up you azz.". That sure sounds like someone wanting a civil and polite discussion, doesn't it? How could anyone be offended by a polite remarks like that? This proves that there's no sense in discussing anything with a bunch of delusional "experts".

Your actions are reminiscent of the mindless obama followers and there's no sense even attempting to have a rational discussion with them either. Perhaps there is more than just a similarity in more ways than one too.

You are the ones that ASSume and imply that you are THE authority on all things firearm related. Nothing can be further from the truth.
Stay in your little circle and continue to impress each other with delusions of grandeur. Just make sure to keep track of the pivotman.


I didn't condense anything either. LOL!

FreeMe,

Thanks. I like it. It's different. Shoots well too for what it is. Hopefully, it won't fall apart too soon.

Dan

Amazing how guys like you will attempt to rewrite history when it's just a few posts above for all to see.



You missed my point on that, I see. We all knew that was meant as "condescending".


Why don't you pony up with your explanation of why forged is better "for your use"? Why didn't you do so at first? Could have shortened this whole exchange maybe - if it holds water.

Funny thing about posters like you. Always lashing out about others' attacks, when the attack phase originated with you.

Seriously - I thought we put the forged vs cast issue to rest. You got something we missed?

I am going to play enabler here ...bwaaahahahaaaa

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Go back to your buddies and be pivotman for your circle jerk you arrogant POS. GFY.

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I respect and listen to a man of few words.

Bingo.

Well....not much listening required there - so I can see the attraction.

Yeah, I'm an adult...I don't settle internet disagreements with a meet up and duke it out. Maybe you and Brick might understand when you grow up someday.

Lists Taurus but says Springfield Armory is okay. Last time I checked, Taurus made the forgings for Imbel, who makes the frames for Springfield. Interesting.

Actually as a gunsmith there may be guns I choose not to do full custom jobs on and that has nothing to do with metal quality, but aesthetics. Some makers pay more attention to detail than others, and often that is reflected in price.

The Armscor guns have been around for a good decade or more, if there were serious issues, I think something would have popped up by now.

I don't know what Clark's issues are, or how many guns they've seen to make a statement that slides are soft. I have worked on about a half dozen RIA's for various people and have yet to see anything out of the ordinary where metallurgy is concerned, but I have noticed that externally they're not made real "pretty". That said, I've never worked on an Armscor gun that has been converted to .460 Rowland, who knows; maybe that extra abuse exposes flaws that regular cartridges don't. I know two of the RIA's that I worked on had over 10k rounds through them (one I'm sure had a LOT more than 10k, he was a died in the wool IDPA competitor and competed every weekend). Again, nothing noted out of the ordinary. But that's standard pressure .45 ACP which isn't exactly easy on guns, but isn't abusive either.

Well I�ve never seen anything about Clark to make me think they don�t know what they�re doing. However, being a gunsmith myself when I look at their list, I do scratch my head.

Now as a gunsmith my PREFERENCE would be to work on Colt�s brand 1911�s that are as close to GI as possible. That way I can build them the way I want to build them and know that it�s all done right.

But there are a lot of reasons I have that preference, and one shouldn�t infer that because other brands don�t make my preference list that A � I won�t work on them, or B � They�re not good guns.

As to the �soft� statement�that�s a slippery slope; what is �soft�? Now if one were to take it in the actual context of the web page cited, then you have to take it in the context that perhaps they�re soft for .460 Rowland use. That doesn�t mean it�s a �soft� slide. Nor does it mean the slide is in any way inadequate for use with a normal cartridge. Like I said, one of my customers has WELL over 10k and probably double that on his custom RIA and when I last saw it, the lugs (as well as everything else) seemed just fine.

Truth be told, RIA slides are a good bit harder than a GI slide, and there are millions of GI guns and slides with a whole lot more than 10k rounds on them that are still in very serviceable condition. If GI slides could serve in the US military for 70+ years, I think the RIA fully heat treated, (GI slides are spot treated) slides can hold up just fine.

So one should be careful about the mental leaps we make when we read such things.

Say what? Whom did you check with?

One of my closest friends toured Taurus about 3 years ago. He saw the forging operation and there was a large bin of forgings and the gentleman whom was giving him the tour said they were bound for Imbel.

Nobody checked the black Friday deal at Sportsman's Whorehouse did they! Instead there had to be an internet pissin match...

Springfield says they use IMBEL forgings (and some >80% frames). Of course, that doesn't preclude some other business arrangement between Taurus and IMBEL.

I'll say it again to eliminate any confusion. The 1911 was converted to 45 Super/460 Rowland use, NOT 45 ACP. What better gunsmith to look at for this conversion but Clark Custom Guns, since it is one of their specialties.

Any resident internet gunsmiths, self-appointed experts, etc., that question what CCG says, or does, can take up their warped and misguided issues with CCG directly by using the phone number on the CCG website. This will eliminate any mental leaps being made in reference to what CCG says on their webpages.
The caller can also inform CCG where THEY feel there is an error in regard to CCGs firearm selections for their 460 Rowland conversion. Next, the firearms oracle can tell CCG what firearms are up to the said callers erroneous standards. Finally, the internet expert can inform CCG how to customize the firearm to meet their idiotic requirements for the 460 Rowland conversion.

As usual, you're full of dogshit with your usual revisionist observation of reality. Your "proof" consisted of nothing but a lot of "BECAUSE I SAID SO" bullshit. No material properties, no test results, no nothing. You know, your usual hallmarks. To cap that off, when I'm at work or hunting and not responding to your inane drivel, in your sheltered little world of Facebook ass-lickers, I have apparently become "butt-hurt and left."

And regarding your "as a gunsmith" claim: doing shade tree work on a few internet nerds dumb enough to send a gun to a moron like you doesn't qualify you for gunsmith status. By that measure, I ought to be a master gunsmith since I have access to a Bridgeport end mill, various lathes, parts cleaners, TIG/MIG welders, etc.

Any interaction with you always reminds me how I need to stock up on toilet paper and apply Rid-X to my septic system.

And the douche nozzle returns.

You offered no proof, just that you heard some gunsmith said they were soft. I offered the type of steel they were made from and a quote on metal treatment from the original importer of RIA(The Dealer Warehouse). However, since YOU made the claim, the onus is on YOU, not me. You were unable to even define what "soft" meant. In fact, I'd just about wager a month's pay that you STILL cant/wont define what "soft" is on a 1911 pistol.

The only thing you're capable of is spouting insults, and while that may make you a popular guy on your playground, adults prefer an actual rational discussion with REAL information. Arguing with you is like trying to argue with an autistic 12 year old (which isn't really fair to autistic 12 year olds).

So go ahead and snivel, I'm sure you have NO relevant data to offer but you have some really great one liners.

You're so f*cking stupid you don't even realize your post just reaffirmed everything I stated: it's all a load of "BECAUSE I SAID SO" bullshit.

You "offered the type of steel they were made from and a quote on metal treatment from the original importer of RIA" but no material spec sheet, no test data, etc.

My source is the same as MIVHNTR's: Clark Custom Guns.

Clark Custom Guns = credible source.

Kevin Gibson = some dunce with internet access.

The difference between people like you (morons) and people like me (realists) is this, Little Miss Kevin Bitch: you live your life in the virtual world. You're as brilliant as your imagination allows. I prefer to believe in science and known quantities. If CCG says those guns are crap, I'd tend to go with that vice what some overweight, middle-aged halfwit (i.e., you, Kevin) with too much time on his hands thinks.

If you would like to send an RIA 1911 to me for a full spectrum of NDE testing, I'd be happy to do so. However, I suspect you won't accept the results if they're not the answers you want.

And, yes, "douche nozzle," you have indeed returned.

P.S. I am going to spend the rest of this day deer hunting. Or, in your limited parlance, being "butt-hurt," since I won't be making timely replies.

Okay whatever you say slick. If I wanted to hear from an arse-hole I would have farted. Would have been a more meaningful conversation.

I don't think either of you guys could pour piss out of a cowboy boot, with the instructions written on the heel!