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John,

I was agreeing with you. As I recall, Partitions were mostly sold locally at first, and it took quite a while before they started catching on.


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DesertMuleDeer,

You should pick up a copy of WEATHERBY: THE MAN, THE GUN, THE LEGEND, by Grits and Tom Gresham. Amazon has 'em for a very reasonable price. The book includes all sorts of interesting stuff, including many of Roy's hunting notes and old photos.


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I will pick one if those books up. I have enjoyed the Weatherby rounds I have played with, but for some reason rarely hunt them. Nevertheless. I find Roy Weatherby interesting from a business and marketing perspective and would like to read a little about him.

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Originally Posted by DesertMuleDeer
Interesting. Where could someone find these published notes? Also, was Weatherby using an experimental version of the .308 Win in the late 1940s or are you referring to .308 bullet diameter?

I have never hunted with a .300 Weatherby but have a couple and like the round. Mine get 200--250 fps more than my handloads in .300 Win Mag with weatherby factory loads. My .300 Weath Ive shot the most is getting 3420 fps from 165 TSX factory loads and 3250-3300 with various 180 weatherby factory loads. I also don't think I've ever shot a group larger than 3/4 MOA with that rifle and most have been significantly smaller than that and therefore have never shot a handliad through it.

It fits ne well too. Maybe it should go hunting some day.

I've hunted with Wby and Winchester .300's, never a .30-378, although I've been there and seen them used. My current .300 is a Win Mag and I feel it's about all the .300 Mag I want. I find myself using smaller bores for WT and Pronghorn and have bigger stuff for Nilgai, etc. Just don't use a .300 Mag as much anymore.

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I see 300WBY rifles on the used gun rack all of the time, but seldom see 300WIN.

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I think ammo cost for the non-reloading consumer makes a difference, Win. vs. Wby.

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
John,

I was agreeing with you. As I recall, Partitions were mostly sold locally at first, and it took quite a while before they started catching on.


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I was also agreeing with you and just thinking aloud so to speak. I still.may be wrong about the date however as the '48 safari would include the .30/06 and may have included the not yet released .378 and more safari's followed after Buhmiller started necking up the .378 case to .458.

All before my time of course, but the Weatherby story is really the modern magnum story as the cartridges were designed for performance which is not the necessarily the original criteria which was more likely adequacy, useability and a catchy proprietary moniker.
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Just to date myself I'll call them the big three, 300 H&H, 300 Weatherby, and 300 Win. The only big difference I notice between the three was the Weatherby had a clumsy barrel and used more powder.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
DesertMuleDeer,

You should pick up a copy of WEATHERBY: THE MAN, THE GUN, THE LEGEND, by Grits and Tom Gresham. Amazon has 'em for a very reasonable price. The book includes all sorts of interesting stuff, including many of Roy's hunting notes and old photos.


Absolutely, and another book I'd recommend for Weatherby afficionados is both books by Elgin Gates, Trophy Hunting in Africa/Asia. All sorts of interesting tid-bits, including the taking of an elephant (brain shot) with an experimental 378 necked down to 30 in 1959...


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This is an unfinished debate, but put into the simplest terms:
A 300 H&H is a little more than a 30-06, the 300 Win is a little more than a 300 H&H, the 300 WBY is a little more than a 300 Win, the 30-378 is a little more than the 300 WBY.

When you look at the caliber and what it does accomplish, the 300 WBY still shines. Anything less is not enough of too much and anything more is too much of not enough...


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Originally Posted by shrapnel
Anything less is not enough of too much and anything more is too much of not enough...

You got that one zeroed in pretty tight... grin

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Anything less is not enough of too much and anything more is too much of not enough...

You got that one zeroed in pretty tight... grin
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When it comes to 'killin' ....if the WM won't kill it, the WBY can't !!


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Originally Posted by jwall
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Anything less is not enough of too much and anything more is too much of not enough...

You got that one zeroed in pretty tight... grin
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When it comes to 'killin' ....if the WM won't kill it, the WBY can't !!


Beat me to it.
There is no animal one can kill and the other can't when loaded with the same bullets.

This is the .308 caliber version of the .280 Ackley Vs the 7mm Remington.
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Originally Posted by AussieGunWriter
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Anything less is not enough of too much and anything more is too much of not enough...

You got that one zeroed in pretty tight... grin
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When it comes to 'killin' ....if the WM won't kill it, the WBY can't !!


Beat me to it.
There is no animal one can kill and the other can't when loaded with the same bullets.

This is the .308 caliber version of the .280 Ackley Vs the 7mm Remington.
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The same can be said about the 30-06. You can back it down all the way to a 22 LR if you want. The 300 WBY still is the perfect storm in the 300 line. You guys like to compare overloaded 300 Win loads to under loaded 300 WBY rounds. I have chronographed 165 factory loads in a 24 inch 300 WBY at 3600 fps. You can't duplicate that in a Win mag...


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Kirk,

Yeah, you can duplicate that in a .300 Winchester Magnum. Just have Norma load some factory ammo.


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I've always thought it funny that many people seem to rave about the 300 Wtby being 'something else' while comparing it to the Win Mag, yet the 338 Win Mag with it's significantly smaller case is considered virtual 'peas in a pod' with the 340. Comparing them loaded to differing pressures isn't much of an argument IMO.


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Originally Posted by Klikitarik
I've always thought it funny that many people seem to rave about the 300 Wtby being 'something else' while comparing it to the Win Mag, yet the 338 Win Mag with it's significantly smaller case is considered virtual 'peas in a pod' with the 340. Comparing them loaded to differing pressures isn't much of an argument IMO.


Good point but as a percentage, I wouldn't be surprised if most .340 owners have also used/tried/studied the .338 whereas there are a lot more questions when the .300's are discussed.
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Roy Weatherby took the venerable 300 H&H and made a hot rod out of it. That was 1944. Then about 20 years later, Winchester decides to let some air out of it and brings out a mediocre cartridge and the boys in line for that chambering, all showed up in a rented Subaru...


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Anyone noticed a difference in the field between the 300's -Win, H&H, Weatherby, when used under similar circumstances?
I couldn't and should I ever have another 300 it will probably be the H&H.


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