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anyone got any comments regards 1-4 scopes? The 1-4 Accupoint vs the VX-6 or VX-R? DavidWalter suggested a Accupoint with the triangle on a post reticle, but I am not sure how well that would work relative to a crosshair with a red or green dot? Never owned an accupoint so don't know if the glass and coatings are as good as the VX-6? Primarily low light use, that is the biggest use for it. Someone said the accupoint might not work as good if you ever used it with a light on pigs or something like that.


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I have a Viper PST 1-4, it works just fine.

If I'm buying another for a hunting AR, I'm looking hard at a VXR with FD duplex. I have one of those in 3-9, and like it. Good glass and useful with or without the illum on.

My thought is how much glass do you really need in a 1-4 optic? I'd probably be looking save the VX6 money for something else, and go VXR. On the other hand, the VX6 is 1-6, which is a nice mag range that you could do nearly anything with. Twice the money though..

Another option, if you aren't dead set on 1X on bottom end, is VXR 2-7. Same money as the 1-4, but I would think the 33mm obj would help with low light some over the 20mm.

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The 1-4 Leupold is my least liked scope I've owned. The 1.5-5 is a better option especially for low light. Though the 1-6 is is a much better option even at twice the price.

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The Trijicon glass is really good, but then you're very quickly getting into the weight and cost of the VX6.

The glass on the VXR 1.25-4 seems better than the FX2 1-4. But I haven't compared them side by side.

You can control the brightness of the Firedot, which you can't do on the Trijicon without weird zipper sock things or tape.


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The accupoint is in the same territory $850 bucks or so. The weights, eye relief, length are about equal. The big deal with the accupoint is they say it can be used like a red dot at 1X (BAC).


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Originally Posted by jimmyp
The accupoint is in the same territory $850 bucks or so. The weights, eye relief, length are about equal. The big deal with the accupoint is they say it can be used like a red dot at 1X (BAC).


Close to true 1x on bottom is why I bought the PST. Good glass and illum for $500, capped or uncapped turrets an mil or moa available.

I don't think the Leupy offerings are true 1x, except maybe the vx6

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The 1-4 Leupold is my least liked scope I've owned. The 1.5-5 is a better option especially for low light. Though the 1-6 is is a much better option even at twice the price.



I'm sure when you get down to it the vx3 model would have a little better glass than the vxr, but it sounds like the OP is looking for illumination of some kind.

I like nice glass, but there are other features to consider..

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While the Trijicon has good glass and decent build quality, their reticle options are horrible. Even their mildot reticle is bad. With capped turrets, you would think they would offer some type of mil or moa scale reticle.

For the money, I think the Vortex Viper PST 1-4x is a good option. The Leupold VX6 or Mk.6 and the Bushnell SMRS are very nice optics but a bit more expensive. The Vortex Razor 1-6 is top notch and would be my first choice for a 1-6x optic.

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At the same, or nearly the same price I'd take the VX6 over the Trijicon all day, every day.

I think that the "true 1x" marketing is pretty over-hyped. I'll take 1.25-2x with a forgiving eye box and wide FOV over true 1x every time.


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At the same, or nearly the same price I'd take the VX6 over the Trijicon all day, every day.

I think that the "true 1x" marketing is pretty over-hyped. I'll take 1.25-2x with a forgiving eye box and wide FOV over true 1x every time.


I wouldn't argue there, but I do admit I don't know anything about the Trijicon.

To clarify the true 1x thing isn't a big deal to me, I still haven't been able to shoot both eyes open with mine, so I'm not advocating one over the other because of that.

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If I can run my 3x ACOG like a red dot, the true 1x isn't as important as a daylight bright dot.

I used the 1.5-5 as an example cause he has used one before so he knows when it quits in the dark.

I still say the 1-6 with fire dot is the best option for the money.

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I am leaning towards the more expensive and heavy VX-6 1-6 I looked at VX-R, Trijicon 1-4 with red post and green crosshair, and VX-6 today you can hold the VX-6 a remarkable distance from your eye and still see the red dot, it is big and heavy, the accupoint reticles other than the big post are too thin.


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I don't understand why Trijicon can't put an ACOG reticle in their 1-4.


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I really did not like the trijicon reticles in the accupoint, nor the vortex reticle, sorry I am just a simple man. I looked at a very expensive vortex 1-something the guy in the store was hawking, it had some kind a red reticle thing with 4 target obscuring quadrants and center dot like I saw in that predictor movie the alien had when it was not on you could barely see it.


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Yeah, I've seen that reticle too. I've shot a Razor 1-6 with the JM reticle and it's pretty nice. The dot on it is bright enough too.

But for the money I've never been able to like the Vortex that much. Even the demo model at cameralandny is $1200.


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darn spell check I wanted to type PREDATOR movie with the Arnold. I think Vortex optics are a cult like thing.


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anyway I found one for $650 shipping from Wuxi China.


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Originally Posted by jimmyp
I think Vortex optics are a cult like thing.


They are well built optics. Not the best glass in their Viper scopes, but good enough and usually as tough as anything else in their price range. Their warranty and CS is also second to none. I don't worship any optics manufacturer but after owning the Razor HD and using some vipers, I have been very very pleased.


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I'm not big fan of vortex, I've tried 1-4 & 6-24. One of my favorite 1-4 optics has been a $400 burris, easy to shoot with both eyes open which is huge. I have a Sightron 1-7 that I really like also, very versatile.

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maybe cult like thing was a little strong, my eyes just don't prefer them. I guess I will see if a VX-6 will work, got to order an Aeroprecision Ultralight SPR mount now.


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