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What are your thoughts on 300 H&H vs. 30-06? Want to hear opinions.
Availability, selection and cost of ammo leads one to conclude that .30-06 or .300 WinMag should be selected. If money is no object and prestige is important then .300 H&H should be selected.
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30-06 vs 300 H&H
You can not use or even own a 30-06 (Military cartridge) in France, however you can own & use 300 H&H.
That's the law. As Teg Nuggent always says you can't do that in France! Sounds like a perfect place to avoid!
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What are your thoughts on 300 H&H vs. 30-06? Want to hear opinions.
Availability, selection and cost of ammo leads one to conclude that .30-06 or .300 WinMag should be selected. If money is no object and prestige is important then .300 H&H should be selected. A well set up fast .30 is simply an awesome hunting rifle. By any sane standard though, the 30-06 qualifies as a fast .30 If a guy wants or needs something faster than a 30-06, the .300 Winchester is an easy choice. This is somewhat offset by some of the very cool old rifles that predate the advent of the Winnie... Note that many of these same cool rifles were chambered in the 30-06 as well... It's a wonder that the .300 Winchester ever got off the ground after the body blow it took in 1964...
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30-06 for me. I started out with one and have come full circle. I've used a lot of other cartridges, but the good ol 06 makes the most sense..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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The -06 is a great one, but given I have a '55 Model in 300H&H, no decision. 300H&H for any number of reasons. Value, FPS, accuracy, cool factor, etc. Now if I did not already have one..
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Yep! love my mid fifties Sako FN 300 H&H.
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300 H&H..Poster child of inefficiency, 2.8"+ hull to barely nudge out 30-06 performance..Sign me up!
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Really, better check the loadings, can you get a 180g to over 3000fps safely?? The 30-06 is a great round, but it is not what a 300H&H is. Actually if you go an look at the 300H&H history it is one of the most efficient of the 30 calibers.
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its a cool old cart,and i appreciate its history..But you cannot take up nearly 2.9" of real-estate for those returns and call it efficient, dont give a damn how you spin it.
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Well the -06 is not exactly a SA cartridge either. Perhaps the 308.. The 300H&H is very efficient compared to the other 30 cal magnums. It does have an advantage over the standard 30-06 in the same length action. I have both.
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Different perspective I suppose..To me magazine confines play a huge roll because I like VLD type bullets..To me a 30-06 makes more sense than the H&H.to me,if i was going to use up H&H type mag space it would make more sense to go with a 300wby or 300AI, or even a RUM/30-378.
Again, I have no sentimental/nostalgic reasoning in my opinion.
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I've had 3 pre 64 M70's in 300 H&H,not to mention a slew of 30/06's with 22-24" barrels. The 300 H&H's would start a 180 gr bullet very easily at 3050-3090,which is about 200-250 fps better than a very warm load from a 30/06,and about what we get from most 300 Win Mags for that matter.
It's very simple to start a 165 gr bullet from a H&H at 3150;again this is at least 200 fps faster than you can move the same bullet from most 30/06 rifles as a steady diet.
Enhanced performance 30/06 ammo with 165 gr bullets gave me about 2940 with a 165 in a 22" barreled M70.
Seems to me that day in and day out a 300 H&H will give about 200-250 fps more velocity than a 30/06 with about any bullet and is superior to the 30/06 from a velocity standpoint,especially with the heavier bullets.
There really isn't any way around this. Load them both to the same pressures and the H&H wins every time because it has more powder capacity.That 200-250 fps will show up at distance if good bullets are used.
It's true the H&H needs a longer mag box than a 30/06 but any Rem 700 or post 64 M70 action is long enough to accept a 300 H&H , so the shorter action argument is sort of untrue.If you own either of those rifles you are already carrying a H&H length action.
But there is no sense arguing about popularity....the 30/06 wins hands down. 30-06 for the win! When I rebarreled my win pre-64 30-06 I went with a 26 3/4" barrel including brake. With the brake I can watch the bullet impact in the scope. I get 2875 FPS with Federal factory loads. I get about the same velocity with 57.5 grains of H-4350. I get 3020 FPS with 168 TSX and 59 grains of H-4350. Not sure why I would need a heavier bullet even for Alaskan Yukon moose or large bears.
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I've owned three .300 H&H's. It's a nice round, especially if you want to a traditional .300 magnum. But right now I don't own one, and probably wouldn't own any .300 magnum if I didn't have to for professional reasons. Besides that you know where you can borrow the "Get it all done" 300 WBY...
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its a cool old cart,and i appreciate its history..But you cannot take up nearly 2.9" of real-estate for those returns and call it efficient, dont give a damn how you spin it. Just get a WSM, it'll do everything the H&H will do and do it in a better package. 
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its a cool old cart,and i appreciate its history..But you cannot take up nearly 2.9" of real-estate for those returns and call it efficient, dont give a damn how you spin it. True dat. But if it was all about efficiency we would be putting out claymores instead of game cameras. The 'loony' in Rifle Loony knows no bounds! 
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I didn't know Nick Nolte hunted. Where did you get the pic?
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When I rebarreled my win pre-64 30-06 I went with a 26 3/4" barrel including brake. With the brake I can watch the bullet impact in the scope. I get 2875 FPS with Federal factory loads. I get about the same velocity with 57.5 grains of H-4350. I get 3020 FPS with 168 TSX and 59 grains of H-4350.
Not sure why I would need a heavier bullet even for Alaskan Yukon moose or large bears.
That's impressive performance. I've thought often that a 30-06 dedicated LR gun would work out pretty well with a 27-28" bbl, enough to get an easy 2700 with 208-215gr bullets. It was German Salazar's site that opened my eyes to the possibilities.
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With today's powders & bullets, the 300 H&H is better than ever, but I guess that is true for the '06 as well. Both are competent & real performance is virtually indistinguishable, but whatever edge there might be in performance surely lies with the H&H, albeit, not a big edge. And the "cool factor" surely lies with the H&H too.  MM Guessing that you figure "cool factor" differently than I do. The 30-06 has oodles more history, and is associated with more of the coolest people than any brit round can lay claim to. Only the tweed coat/bwana crowd would ever attempt to debate the point. I currently have an H&H in captivity, and hope to hunt with it this fall. It was the rifle package that drew my attention though, and not the chambering. We often forget that it was the British and Europeans who developed most of the famous calibers specifically for hunting in the days when untold hundreds of thousands of animals were taken in the colonies. Many, like the 300H&H and 375H&H are still recognised as the best at what they were designed for. Clean kills with little meat damage. Other 300 mags were poor attempts to copy the H&H and marketing to the US hunter that they must be better because they made them "faster". Unfortunately the African animals did not have the benefit of the American education system and never learned to read ballistics charts and don't understand that more "speed" and "energy" are needed to kill. American game animals on the other hand must understand it or there wouldn't be so many hunters there with Ultra mags, Weatherbys, etc.These hunters are quite easy to spot at SCI conventions as they usually have a scar over one eyebrow and a nervous "wink" - and are always "ballistics experts". Those old greats have improved with modern powders, bullet construction, and optics - but they have yet to be beaten. America can take credit for the 30-06 and maybe should have stopped there. Somehow they got confused between "hunting" and "varmit shooting" at 300+yds with high powered scopes high speed calibers and bullets meant to destroy the intended target as it wasn't edible anyway. The mauser 7mmX57 was also a great African classic with books written about it. H&H tried to get into that huge market by "improving on it". The 275H&H was introduced by Holland&Holland in 1912 using the 7mm bullet with a shorter version of the belted case of the 375H&H mag introduced the same year as the .375 Belted Rimless Nitro-Express. The .375 H&H was intended for dangerous African game animals, while the .275 H&H was intended for longer range shooting of African antelope and Red Stag in the highlands of Scotland. Western Cartiidge Company offered USA loadings of the .275 H&H Magnum in 1925 with the .300 H&H and the .375 H&H. The .275 H&H was omitted when Winchester started chambering their Model 70 rifle for the other two in 1937. The .275 H&H offered little ballistic advantage over the 270. U.S. ammunition production ceased during 1939 and it died - only to be ressurected as the wildcat 7X61 Sharp & Hart in 1953 and finally the 7mm Remington Magnum in 1962. Over the years We have had safari clients with every conceivable magnum you can imagine including new calibers sent here with outdoor writers to "test" them in Africa. most were disappointing and some were disasters. I'm not sure why, I started with hundred year old calibers but I do know the reason I still have them is because they have never failed me, I am confident shooting them, and I have been extremely disappointed with with the newer, faster, calibers. I have had the opportunity test both old and new. I love the new rifles being built today - but I'll stick with my "old" proven calibers. One day hunters might stop listening to the hype and and choose calibers based on what really works - but I may not live long enough to see it.
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Other 300 mags were poor attempts to copy the H&H and marketing to the US hunter that they must be better because they made them "faster".
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I didn't know Nick Nolte hunted. Where did you get the pic?
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