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Some folks just can't figure out how to safely carry and hunt with a hot rifle. For those, there's the M700.
Other folks know how and when to carry hot. For those, there are the M70's, M77's, Montana's, Mausers, et. al.
Don't try to turn a turd into a real hunting rifle.
lol.. Also, I hunted horseback for the first half of my life..Dont recall a single problem with 700's..Seen lots of guys have problems tho. Wonder why? rhetorical.. To answer the OP,no..I wouldnt give a dam if my rifles didnt even have a safety.
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Good points about 3 position safeties: Bolt is locked when safety is fully engaged. This means bolt cannot be inadvertently moved slightly "up"which will case a misfire since action is not now fully cocked.Yes there is some hunting where hunting "hot" is required.If you never have had to hunt "hot" and hunt long enough, eventually, you will. With a Rem 700 safety not an issue if you constantly roll your thumb over the bolt handle to make sure it is fully "down" and not moved out of position by brush, or rubbing on your coat or the conduct of gremlins,which of course never happens to anyone on here. Provides a middle position to field strip bolt without special tools, dimes table tops etc,. This is handy when rifle gets cold and wet or frozen or immediate access to inside of bolt will be required for cleaning in the field. The Rem 700 lets you do this afield.....no? Also, prudent hand loaders always run loaded ammo through rifle prior to hunts.Firing pin can be removed easily and done safely. Also helpful to hand loaders when the bolt is used as a "feeler gauge"for sized cases with the firing pin removed. Shroud mounted safety less likely to be inadvertently hit when cycling rifle from shoulder in rapid fire, than a side tang mounted safety.Also less likely to freeze in place from snow and ice during tough conditions. (This may not be an issue from blinds or where weather does not go from freezing rain and snow to below freezing in the span of an hour or two). If you can't get a 3 position M70 safety from safe to "fire" in the span of a second or two, more familiarity and practice with the rifle is required.If a 3 position were such an impediment to moving a fully engaged safety to "fire", then guys like Harry Manners would not have ended a career as a PH untouched by dangerous game. The notion that we can't do the same in the presence of a little old deer or elk is hard to swallow. I didn't learn any of this reading F&S . Actually I can't recall that it was ever explained in that or any other magazine. Sweet Jesus, if you can't disassemble a Remington 700 in the field you shouldn't be trusted with a rifle to begin with. I've no doubt much stumps you Bob. I'm stumped by lots of things.....one thing is how anyone takes you seriously on anything. FO.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I prefer 3 position safeties.
Bob has a point.
I wish Remington would either go with a 3 position or go back to the old bolt locking one.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Don't hold your breath. After all these years Remington is still trying to figure out how to make a safety that doesn't also double as a trigger occasionally.
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Knew we would get to the carrying hot BS.. Do all you cold chamber advocates carry your shotguns with empty chambers when hunting pheasant/grouse/quail too ? Not a one. Because handling a shotgun safely is SOOOOOOO much different than a rifle.
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Muzzleloader season must be a b*tch for the cold chamber guys.
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A rifle safety will get you killed.
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Don't hold your breath. After all these years Remington is still trying to figure out how to make a safety that doesn't also double as a trigger occasionally. Only after fumble fingers "gunsmiths" attempt to adjust them and don't take responsibility for their incompetence. Not, all, but the vast, vast majority are improperly adjusted (sear engagement) and it has been proven time and time again that this is the case. Still feel nervous, spring $80 for a Timney and get a better triggers to boot. Two positions safeties.....? If they were remotely as "dangerous" as many of the m70 cheerleaders would want you believe, then the military wouldn't hundreds of thousands of them ins service in conditions, I might add, that are far, far more demanding for reliable weapons, so spare me the anecdotal BS. How many m70's are in the hands of our troops.......rest my case. Oh and I know this is coming in this juvenile thread, so lets address the issue of the self-ejecting bolt handle. Now, last figures I've heard was that Remington has sold more than 5 million M700, probably even more by now. We see the same guys (less than a half dozen) posting the same several pictures of faulty bolt handles. Now if I were to tell anyone here that if they played the lottery tomorrow and they had a 99.99999999 percent chance of winning, would you buy a ticket ?
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Which Bob we talking? I prefer 3 position safeties.
Bob has a point.
I wish Remington would either go with a 3 position or go back to the old bolt locking one.
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Just saw this. Best post ever written. Both with brand and needing a safety. Some folks just can't figure out how to safely carry and hunt with a hot rifle. For those, there's the M700.
Other folks know how and when to carry hot. For those, there are the M70's, M77's, Montana's, Mausers, et. al.
Don't try to turn a turd into a real hunting rifle.
lol.. Also, I hunted horseback for the first half of my life..Dont recall a single problem with 700's..Seen lots of guys have problems tho. Wonder why? rhetorical.. To answer the OP,no..I wouldnt give a dam if my rifles didnt even have a safety.
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Knew we would get to the carrying hot BS.. Do all you cold chamber advocates carry your shotguns with empty chambers when hunting pheasant/grouse/quail too ? Not a one. Because handling a shotgun safely is SOOOOOOO much different than a rifle. A "hot chambered one" ?. Do share.....Yes they do have different safety systems, but we're still talking about a chamber hot gun regardless, and all these conversations revolve around how stupid it is to carry a hot chambered guns afield. Sure, you could carry the breech open and rounds in the chambers (on SXS and O/U's but if we are honest, I think we already know that's most likely not the case.
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Which Bob we talking? I prefer 3 position safeties.
Bob has a point.
I wish Remington would either go with a 3 position or go back to the old bolt locking one. BobinNH
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Roy chamber one and then open you bolt. When you get ready to send-it close your bolt. Its takes 198 trick moves to blow your head off while the bolt is open.
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how do the cold guys hunt heavy timber. i know they can chamber before i can think, but often i cant get a shot let alone load the rifle. just my 2 cents but from my personal experience hunting without the chamber loaded is like gutting a deer without a knife. YMMV
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Maybe this barreled action by one of the masters with make all those nervous Remington guys a little more at ease. http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7487749
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Roy chamber one and then open you bolt. When you get ready to send-it close your bolt. Its takes 198 trick moves to blow your head off while the bolt is open. If you spend all your hunting/shooting time in a blind with a belly gun, shooting tame farm animals in a bean field,everything works. " Your advice ain't worth a squirt of dog piss....."
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Some folks just can't figure out how to safely carry and hunt with a hot rifle. For those, there's the M700.
Other folks know how and when to carry hot. For those, there are the M70's, M77's, Montana's, Mausers, et. al.
Don't try to turn a turd into a real hunting rifle.
Amen, very well said... A lot of truth to that.. I don't care if it has 2 positions or 3. I do want the bolt handle locked down Yep.. Don't hold your breath. After all these years Remington is still trying to figure out how to make a safety that doesn't also double as a trigger occasionally. I wouldn't carry "hot" with a rem 700 either. Now I'm starting to understand these rem 700 cheerleaders point of view on this..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Want to compare say the last 5 years whites and mule's with a public wager? Grin... Feel free to Plagiarize me anytime make sure to use my words. Unlike yourself I tend to tell the truth
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Want to compare say the last 5 years whites and mule's with a public wager? Grin... Feel free to Plagiarize me anytime make sure to use my words. Unlike yourself I tend to tell the truth Tell me where I lied? If you are going to accuse me of lying, then be specific.Tell me where I did not tell the "truth".....Pretty heavy accusation. Let's hear it. Why 5 years? Didn't you do anything before that? Or is that about the time you started hunting the west? You don't look too young to me. I don't have to apologize to you, or anybody on here for the hunts I've made,the places I've been, and the game I've killed. I don't make public bets for the sake of showing off but someone on here might have some photos of a few animals( the one's I've killed in my "slow years").I'm 64 now....you? Plagiarize ? You? How can you plagiarize someone who never says anything worthwhile? I am just giving back what you dished out. Let's hear it....tell me where I did not tell the "truth".
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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