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My son has a few.

That is what they look like. There is no way to discern them from the real thing unless you pick them up and fugg with them.

And his AK even "feels" like the real thing. Lots of metal on that thing.

Lots of fun on cats.



Travis

comparing a few gun models, it appears its a Caspian, similar to this:



They are gas fed, and can shoot .2 and .25 pellets and are clip fed.

Wondering here why the details of the other officer's leg / ankle injury have not been brought forward.

A.D. ?

...the timing on alla' this sure sucks, and this WILL become "Ferguson 2".

GTC

Hell, Ohio already had the bro in Walmert get put down because he was roaming the isles with a SCAR pellet gun look-a-like.

That one blew over.

What the dispatcher relayed and where the park was located could have have had an influence. Here's where I'm coming from.

An officer responding to a call of a kid threatening people with a toy gun in a white suburban park has an entirely different threat level vs a suspect with a gun at a park in the hood.

Different circumstances ... different perceptions ... potentially different outcomes. The officer's perception of the threat before he/she arrives on scene could affect the response.

Don't get me wrong either. I agree that a LEO has the right to protect him/herself at all times. Never throw caution to the wind.

Well, I guess the race to make them as realistic looking as possible has been run while I was in the toilet, AKA workforce, for 40 years.

Toy and BB Guns should all be colored so the difference can be discerned in an instant.

In a perfect world, you'd be right, fish head. But imagine a jihadist intent upon killing as many people as possible...in a white neighborhood.

Nope. The dispatcher has neither the ability nor the right to try to figure out ahead of time what the officer will encounter. The result of a wrong guess is simply too great a risk.

In one of the linked videos the police spokesman says the officers told the kid to "throw down his weapon" but then goes on to say he reached for it instead of raising his hands...

I suspect he will have to clarify that one in court...

So, a question for the LEOs ...

Would you want to know that the caller thought it was a kid with a toy gun or is "man with a gun" all you want or need to know?

I don't know the answer. I'm not a cop.

i wasnt allowed to have an air gun of any sort growing up though i was given my own 22 at 12, reason....cousin of mine spent alot of hours on an OR table and nearly didnt make it out due to a pellet to the guts, whole episode was traumatic enough on his body docs figure it wound up stunting his growth....parents reasoning of 22 versus air rifle is ild never confuse a 22 with a toy....

Here's another twist.

Would you respond differently to "man with a gun" or "There's a ME male waving an AK-47 and shouting allah akbar"?

I think the more information the field guys have, the better off everyone is. It's not the dispatcher's job to discern what may or may not be relevant to the call...

The dispatcher can give that info without determining the facts... "Caller advised the gun may be a toy, but unable to further confirm."

That info/statement may have gone a long way in this case, but maybe wouldn't have prevented the shooting, because in the end, the kid ignored officers and went for the gun, toy or not.

Lotsa 'what if's' floating around.

Better safe than sorry. Schit happens. Should have raised his hands like the officer ordered..

Probably meant to infer that the officer that fired the fatal shot was also black.

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I think the more information the field guys have, the better off everyone is. It's not the dispatcher's job to discern what may or may not be relevant to the call...

The dispatcher can give that info without determining the facts... "Caller advised the gun may be a toy, but unable to further confirm."

That info/statement may have gone a long way in this case, but maybe wouldn't have prevented the shooting, because in the end, the kid ignored officers and went for the gun, toy or not.

Lotsa 'what if's' floating around. [/quote]

Completely reasonable, and being a 12 y/o stupid kid shouldn't be lethal. More information might have averted a tragedy.

Just read "surveillance video of the shooting is "very clear" about what occurred."

Sure...but we never completely trust information dispatched.

If I was a cop, my focus on this would be figuring out how to prevent such an event from reoccurring, not justifying it six ways to Sunday.

As long as the victim is a 300 lb. dirtbag who's trying to bash in your head, honest law-abiding productive folk are going to be behind you all the way.

Twelve year old kid with a bb gun? Harder to get behind that, even if it's "justified", especially considering the details may not all be available. Lose the backing of honest law-abiding productive folk, gonna be an awful lot harder or impossible to do your job.

I realize there are plenty of issues here, the neighborhood, size of the kid, dispatcher selective info, etc. I'm not talking about any of that.

unfortunately as some pointed out in this day and age 12 year olds are shooting people quite regularly in some places of this country....