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True story, few years ago chatted w/a shooter and his bud at the local range who was firing a few 300 Jarrett's w/Muzzle Brakes and Alpha Glass - Hubble Scopes.

LOUD as HECK. Asked one guy where they hunt and how far he's taken game. Texas. "Shot one deer at xyz and another at zyx." BOTH under 300 yds....I said nice. Meanwhile I was shooting my popgun 6BR, which I had cleanly taken a deer at 400 yds laughing inside thinking about how much punishment his shoulder and ears were taking! I get a kick out of others being abused by excessive recoil and blast while enjoying spotting my own shots and having longer range sessions learning my gear.

Then today, ran into a few locals - top comp shooters, one a world record holder - we discussed how many hunters use too much gun, he said there is a lot of "Macho" on the line. Nobody wants to be seen w/a little gun! Very true. How many guys put a 243 in their wife/girlfriend or childs hands and watch them dump animals over and over, yet will not use one themselves?

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Originally Posted by 65BR
True story, few years ago chatted w/a shooter and his bud at the local range who was firing a few 300 Jarrett's w/Muzzle Brakes and Alpha Glass - Hubble Scopes.

LOUD as HECK. Asked one guy where they hunt and how far he's taken game. Texas. "Shot one deer at xyz and another at zyx." BOTH under 300 yds....I said nice. Meanwhile I was shooting my popgun 6BR, which I had cleanly taken a deer at 400 yds laughing inside thinking about how much punishment his shoulder and ears were taking! I get a kick out of others being abused by excessive recoil and blast while enjoying spotting my own shots and having longer range sessions learning my gear.

Then today, ran into a few locals - top comp shooters, one a world record holder - we discussed how many hunters use too much gun, he said there is a lot of "Macho" on the line. Nobody wants to be seen w/a little gun! Very true. How many guys put a 243 in their wife/girlfriend or childs hands and watch them dump animals over and over, yet will not use one themselves?


I transitioned to a 7mm-08 a couple years ago. I can shoot that thing all day comfortably. I haven't felt undergunned yet.

A mulie buck, antelope, and a Roosy bull. So far...



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I have no shame in saying I hunt with a .243win, love that rifle. Personally I think the saum's are underrated and I think the reason is because the wsm's came out first. I would take a saum over a wsm any day though.

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Originally Posted by the_shootist
303 British.

For a long time, a lot of years ago, if a hunter up here didn't have a 303 British in his stable, it was because he had a 30-30 or <shudder> a 300 Savage.


Sporterized Lee-Enfield rifles are inexpensive. They are very popular in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and much of Africa. The 303 British is alive and thriving

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303 british underrated, but not by Germans.


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.41 Swiss, the original Short Magnum.


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Originally Posted by chlinstructor
.243 and the .308, Also have heard quite a few disparage the .264 Win Mag.

Half the idiots here in TX think you gotta have a 7 Mag or a .300 Win Mag


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I think the 222 rem has became underrated.

A whole generation of younger shooters are going to miss out on how easy it is to load and shoot accurately.

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
I just reread this entire thread again, and wonder who in the hell is supposed to be doing the "underrating"? Your cousin Frank who's hunted with the same .30-06 since 1965? The local meth-heads who can't pawn the rifles they steal? Barack Obama?

I hang around with rifle loonies a lot, including on the Campfire, and in my entire life cannot recall anybody bad-mouthing the .223 Remington, 6mm Remington, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Mannlicher, .260 Remington, 6.5x55, 7x57, .280 Remington, .30-30, .300 Savage, .300 Weatherby Magnum, 8x57, .358 Winchester and most of the other cartridges mentioned so far.

I have heard some nitwits (mostly aspiring Elmer Keiths) bad-mouth the .243 Winchester, and once heard an ignorant dipschidt who never handloaded a round in his life, much less chronographed anything, say "the 7mm Remington Magnum makes the .30-06 look sick." Used to hear some Montana hunters degrade the .270, but that was mostly back in the 1960's and 70's when the 7mm Remington Magnum was the answer to every personal problem from stammering to erectile dysfunction.

But other than those exceptions, and a few Campfire members or gun writers who're trolling, where are these legions of under-raters? Can somebody point me to another website, or a Cabelas full of 19-year-old clerks?



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Originally Posted by firearms44
358 Win.

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.350 Remington Magnum..

Can be loaded down to .38 Special velocities for small game, .357 Magnum velocities for varmints, .358 Winchester velocities for medium game, full loads for dangerous game and longer ranges all from a short action and 18.5-20" barrel.

And if one gets a slightly longer action like a Winchester short action and a .22" barrel velocities run right with .358 Norma magnum.

Bullets can be as light as 110 grain pistol bullets or as heavy as 280 grain solids...

...and right now no one even makes a rifle for it...

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Most that are being called underrated are not really underrated at all but either obsolete or outclassed by something new that has taken it's place..


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I'll vote for the 7.62 X 39. Alot of it gets shot up by the AK & SKS shooters but it is certainly underrated as a hunting cartridge. With a good soft point bullet its quite the little killer.


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To me there isn't any doubt it's the 30/06.

Ever since it was conceived its basic case has been necked up, necked down,Improved, shortened,and been the parent case for untold wildcat and factory permutations,each one offering some real or imagined benefit over the original.

Its ballistics offer a baseline from which we can establish ballistic thresholds and the 338 or 375 are really nothing more than 30/06's with heavier bullets of larger diameter having similar velocities and trajectories.

Going the opposite direction we have things like the 270,280, 25/06,all of which go a bit faster,shoot a bit flatter,and kick a bit less.A 7x57 or 7/08 both have ballistics about like a 30/06 but with slightly lighter bullets(yes I know the 7x57 was the inspiration for the 30/06 and came first but has not had the same number of off spring). Popular cartridges like the 7mm and 300 magnums were designed to better the 30/06 but that cartridge still set the baseline to beat.

All of these are refinements on the original but I bet if we took them all away and forced hunters worldwide to use nothing but a 30/06 for a season the annual "take" of big game animals would not change much.

And a guy who can shoot,with his pockets full of 180 gr expanding bullets and the other pocket loaded with 220 gr expanding and solid bullets,can safely hunt any game animal on earth from elephant on down,giving it an undeniable advantage over anything in a smaller caliber.

Yet the cartridge is generally over looked for specialized purposes (we choose something else) and because we have so many choices, it's easy to look past the 30/06(i.e. "underrated"). But none of this changes the fact that the 30/06 is capable of accomplishing many(most) of the chores involved in BG hunting.




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Any cartridges that burn less than 50 grains of powder....


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The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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358 Win.

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^^^THIS^^^

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Greg: 6.5 Creedmoor? smile


Yup - non-magnum....


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