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Well, is it?

http://www.springerplus.com/content/pdf/2193-1801-3-697.pdf

Always has been easy to find GOP lists of the right values.
Finding GOP leaders that preach those values has always been easy.
The list of leaders that follow what they preach is short.

10.2.14
What does the Republican Party stand for and why should voters support it?
These are important and timely questions. And this morning at George Washington University, RNC Chairman Reince Priebus sought to answer them by outlining the GOP's "Principles for American Renewal."
They are as follows:
1. CONSTITUTION: Our constitution should be preserved, valued and honored.
2. ECONOMY: We need to start growing America�s economy instead of Washington�s economy so that working Americans see better wages and more opportunity.
3. BUDGET/DEBT: We need to pass a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution, make government more efficient, and leave the next generation with opportunity, not debt.
4. HEALTHCARE: We need to start over with real healthcare reform that puts patients and their doctors in charge, not unelected bureaucrats in Washington.
5. VETERANS: Our veterans have earned our respect and gratitude, and no veteran should have to wait in line for months or years just to see a doctor.
6. SECURITY: Keeping America safe and strong requires a strong military, growing the economy, energy independence, and secure borders.
7. EDUCATION: Every child should have an equal opportunity to get a great education; no parent should be forced to send their child to a failing school.
8. POVERTY: The best anti-poverty program is a strong family and a good job, so our focus should be on getting people out of poverty by lifting up all people and helping them find work.
9. VALUES: Our country should value the traditions of family, life, religious liberty, and hard work.
10. ENERGY: We should make America energy independent by encouraging investment in domestic energy, lowering prices, and creating jobs at home.
11. IMMIGRATION: We need an immigration system that secures our borders, upholds the law, and boosts our economy.

Always has been. We value expanding government and establishing more control over the citizenry and have shown that since our first big win with Lincoln. Democrats took a few decades to catch up, but all they will ever be is Johnny Come Latelies. To get right down to it, we were Whigs and Federalists before that so we have been increasing control to create an ordered and managed society since day one.

Always has been. We value expanding government and establishing more control over the citizenry and have shown that since our first big win with Lincoln. Democrats took a few decades to catch up, but all they will ever be is Johnny Come Latelies. To get right down to it, we were Whigs and Federalists before that so we have been increasing control to create an ordered and managed society since day one.

The one thing that is for sure is that the dems are anti any traditional values.

See what Marx said and that is what dems stand for.

The only question when voting for a candidate of one major party over the other is which sweet nothings you'd like whispered in your ear as you're bent over and raped.
If you like the ones about being taken care of on the backs of rich people, then you can vote Dem.
If you like the ones about being protected from the boogey man, then Republicans are for you.
Either way the gov't gets bigger, the budget more out of control, and our fiat currency becomes a bigger joke.

You know a thread is FUBAR when people start agreeing with a clown like DD and a troll like Sherp.

I doubt that Ron Paul was ever on Sarah's RINO target list? I added that sig line when so many RINOS went down to all those Palin Tea Party endorsements in 2010.

It was a long enough list to get Sarah uninvited to the 2012 convention. Both she and Ron Paul were not welcomed to speak and all those Conservatives stayed home.
More RINOS went down in 2012 and 2014. Not enough...

1) I am not a troll

2) They aren't "agreeing" with me about anything. This isn't something comparable to me claiming the weather is nice which is touchy feely. What I have shared is the temperature, humidity, and barometric pressure which anyone is free to verify on their own. Nuts and bolts, not emotion.


I know you are a straight ticket Republican voter also so the question is, why are you ashamed of our party? Why do you not want others to know of our parties history?

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Both parties just suck and are all about more and bigger government.

You're a troll. I don't give a [bleep] about parties, we'd be better off banning political parties, period.

But when these anti-GOP threads start, they're more about stirring the shyt than anything else. The fact is the Democrat party is pure [bleep] evil. It has become the party of Communists, nutjobs and enemies of the U.S. attempting to destroy this country.

Attempting to deflect the focus from the real threat to this country, for even a moment, is the work of idiots or those that should be considered enemies of freedom.

Choosing to bitch about Republicans versus Democrat, is the equivalent of worrying about your spoiled kid's manners as your house is broken into by a psychopath. Republicans often do stupid shyt, the difference is, the vast majority don't hate this country.... that cannot be said of Democrats.

Paul is about the only RINO I can think of. Palin is as mainstream as it gets as demonstrated by being McCain's running mate and continuing to defend him. Considering she has been running for and/or holding office since her mid to late 20s we would be calling her a career politician if she were a registered democrat.

^ This.

One party has you facing left while they BF ya', and the other party has you facing right while they BF ya'. But in the end (and that's where you'll get it from either party), they're two heads of the same snake.

...It's just the Dems suck sooo much more...

B.S.

The facts are the dems are always the big push to rape your 2A rights, just for openers. Just for openers.

Not surprised you are looking for boy cheerleaders, however.

The facts are the dems are always the big push to rape your 2A rights, just for openers. Just for openers.

The GOP is simply the lesser of two evils. But for me when voting time comes, less is better than more.

Is the GOP a party of values?

The facts are also as efw posted, that the Republicans are also about bigger government (just like the Democrats are), more government control over the citizens (just like the Democrats are), and spending more and more money that we don't have (just like the Democrats do). What efw posted and what I posted are truths whether you want to believe them or not.
Evidently the GOP stands for the Gullible Old Party as evidenced by some of its party cheerleaders.

The facts are also as efw posted, that the Republicans are also about bigger government (just like the Democrats are), more government control over the citizens (just like the Democrats are), and spending more and more money that we don't have (just like the Democrats do). What efw posted and what I posted are truths whether you want to believe them or not.
Evidently the GOP stands for the Gullible Old Party as evidenced by some of its party cheerleaders.

You're a troll. I don't give a [bleep] about parties, we'd be better off banning political parties, period.

But when these anti-GOP threads start, they're more about stirring the shyt than anything else. The fact is the Democrat party is pure [bleep] evil. It has become the party of Communists, nutjobs and enemies of the U.S. attempting to destroy this country.

Attempting to deflect the focus from the real threat to this country, for even a moment, is the work of idiots or those that should be considered enemies of freedom.

Choosing to bitch about Republicans versus Democrat, is the equivalent of worrying about your spoiled kid's manners as your house is broken into by a psychopath. Republicans often do stupid shyt, the difference is, the vast majority don't hate this country.... that cannot be said of Democrats.

Not a bit surprised you did not speak to the issue (2A) any more than you are incapable of discerning the difference between fact and opinions. The dems and the GOP are not equivalent. Which is not to say the GOP has no room for Improvement. It's your kind of blathering that gets us judges like Sotomayor.

You seem to confuse reasons one would NOT vote DEMOCRAT with reasons one would vote FOR REPUBLICANS.
...not to mention that the last two Presidential candidates the so-called GOP has put forward have been socialist gun grabbers who'd fit in fine with Dems.
No doubt you'll not be deterred from your Party Boy Cheerleading despite such inconvenient issues like facts so carry on.

You are going to have to do a lot better than �McCain's running mate� to convince me that Palin is a mainstream Republican.

Sarah Palin has been a politician for well over twenty years. And a registered republican who earned her stripes in Alaska by fighting and beating the Establishment GOP Good Old Boys Club.

When maverick McCain wanted another rebel; that is exactly what he got. His Staff Stupids couldn't handle that and tried to shut Sarah down and lock her in her hotel room. They did that after Palin had pushed McCain into first place in the polls.
Sarah has always stated her gratitude for McCain giving her her chance on the national stage. And disagreed with him on many issues.

Since those days, Sarah has never let up attacking what she calls �Crony Capitalism� and the same crapp in Washington. The Corrupt Bastards Club in both places.

You want a party of values? It starts here.

And this is just a tiny sample...
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...Exclusive-Op-Ed-DC-Corrupt-Bastards-Club

The Corrupt Bastards Club. They said it. I didn�t.
In Alaska we had a group of politicos who chuckled as they dubbed themselves the �CBC,� which stands for �Corrupt Bastards Club.� But it was no laughing matter. I, and many others, took them on. We won. When I served as chairman of our state�s Oil and Gas Commission, I reported on the cronyism of the chair of my own Party, who had been appointed by our governor to that same energy regulating commission.
[...]
The whistle blowing resulted in him receiving the largest ethics fine in the state�s history. But that was just the tip of the oily iceberg. The FBI investigated Alaskan lawmakers for taking bribes from the oil industry in exchange for votes favorable to that industry, and politicos ended up in jail.* The lawmakers actually called themselves the Corrupt Bastards Club and even emblazoned the CBC initials on baseball caps they gifted each other � that�s how untouchable they believed they were. But average, concerned citizens said, �enough is enough,� and shook things up.
Though some of the CBC members ended up in horizontal pinstripes, much of the compromised party apparatus stayed in power.

I�ll never forget standing at the podium during our state GOP convention and asking delegates to stand up with me and oust the status quo because the political environment had to change for Alaska to progress toward her manifest destiny as a more productive�and ethical�state to help secure our union. Only about half stood up. The rest looked around gauging the political winds and sat on their thumbs.
Our federal delegation was incensed at me. Their influence resulted in much of the party machine staying put, but I�ll never be sorry I fought it.�

Today, doesn't it seem like we have a Corrupt Bastards Club in D.C.? On steroids? It might not be as oily and obvious as its Alaska counterpart, but it�s just as compromised because its members, too, are indifferent to what their actions mean for We the People.

I�m prepared to be attacked for suggesting this comparison of the D.C. political establishment with the CBC. But I call it like I see it. And lived it. The fight over defunding socialized healthcare, aka Obamacare, should have opened everyone�s eyes to call it the same.
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he full implementation of Obamacare puts us firmly on the path to the left�s desire of a single-payer system of socialized medicine. That was the end game for Obama and the Democrats all along. The end is now in sight for them, and the media doesn�t even ask about it.

So what was the GOP establishment�s game plan to fight this march towards socialism? They�ve been busy denouncing Sens. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee and their supporters, along with the good House Members who fought for our one chance to defund Obamacare.

But what were the wayward Republicans� alternative plans? They thought we could ignore the implementation of Obamacare and simply focus on some future electoral victories in the hope that some day the stars will align and we�ll have super majorities in the House and Senate along with a Republican president who would hopefully repeal this disastrous soon-to-be set in stone new �entitlement.�

There�s a big problem with that scenario. It overlooks the everyday reality before our eyes. As Obamacare is being implemented, Americans can�t afford to pay for it. We can�t even sign up for it on the impossibly cumbersome websites, but the IRS will fine us for not doing so anyway!

Obama gave his pals, and Congress gave themselves, tickets off this train wreck via waivers. Cruz and Lee fought for us to get the same relief the big guys got. The media and disloyal politicians turned on them and, divided, we lost.
Now we little guys are stuck on this train, which will soon collide with hardship and real-world economics that don�t pencil out. Friends, by the time the electoral stars align for this hoped-for GOP hat trick the country will be out billions, if not trillions, more of our tax dollars and will have already begged D.C. to relieve us of this corporatist nightmare even if it means a socialized single-payer system.

And once there, do you think we�ll ever go back and strip this �entitlement�? Unarguable history proves otherwise.
The only credible plan of action was to do everything in our power to delay the implementation of Obamacare � defund it, postpone it, whatever � while at the same time work to elect a majority to repeal it. That is what Cruz and Lee and those Tea Party aligned House Members were doing.
There was no other credible alternative plan to seize the constitutionally appropriate opportunity to legislatively close the purse strings to stop the juggernaut of full socialized medicine.

You have to wonder whether the permanent political class in D.C. really wants to get rid of Obamacare at all. We�re finding out it�s good business for them.

The same lobbyists who wrote Obamacare are now busy selling their wares to anyone with enough dough who wants to get around the law. Meanwhile politicians are busy collecting campaign donations and other favors while carving out the lobbyists� requested exemptions for various cronies. Then every election cycle they get to capitalize on fundraising off Obamacare shenanigans while telling voters back home about how hard they�re fighting to stop it.

Don�t be fooled. Too many of them merely took meaningless symbolic votes that could never have repealed this, and they sat on their thumbs without standing united in the fight for us.

GOP politicians claim they�re against Obamacare and promise to repeal it. But when it came time to stand up and use the Constitutional tools they have � the power of the purse strings � to finally halt the implementation, they balked, waved the white flag, and joined the lapdog media in trashing the good guys who fought for us.

Meanwhile, behind the scenes, these same politicians are covertly pushing through amnesty despite evidence that the 33 million newly legalized voters will overwhelmingly lean Democrat! Obviously this makes the likelihood of a GOP hat trick electoral victory, and hence the repeal of socialized healthcare, even more improbable.

The media wants you to believe that the partial government shutdown �fractured� the Republican machine from grassroots commonsense conservatives who go by the acronym TEA Party (that stands for �Taxed Enough Already�).

No, Tea Party patriots rose up because the Republican machine �fractured� itself years ago by marginalizing its conservative base.
The recent �slimdown� didn�t cause the fracture. It happened because�of the fracture � because wayward Republicans have refused for years to stand up and fight for economic freedom and limited government, despite campaigning on those principles every election cycle.
That�s how we got into this debt-ridden mess in the first place. They campaigned one way, but governed another.

It�s the establishment�s choice whether this fracture remains unfixed because the conservative grassroots will never give up the fight for freedom. Never.�Never. Generations of our sons and daughters sent off to war to protect our freedom have paid too high a price for us to ever give up the fight.

The conservative grassroots is rising up just like some did all those years ago at the GOP convention in Alaska. We�re rising up and calling on the rest of the Party to stand up with us against corruption and indifference � the twin causes of failure. Stand up, America! A great awakening is needed now more than ever. And it can happen in this most exceptional nation. By the grace of God it will happen!

President Reagan warned about socialized medicine, and ironically I quoted his warning in my closing remarks during the 2008 Vice Presidential debate: �If you don�t do this and if I don�t do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children�s children, what it once was like in America when men were free.�
Sarah Palin

The facts are the dems are always the big push to rape your 2A rights, just for openers. Just for openers.

Not surprised you are looking for boy cheerleaders, however.

based on recent history, the GOP, if a party of values, has not been true to their values. Under Bush, we got increased deficits and bigger gov't and more gun control.

Only on their platform; not in their actions.

...not to mention that the last two Presidential candidates the so-called GOP has put forward have been socialist gun grabbers who'd fit in fine with Dems.
No doubt you'll not be deterred from your Party Boy Cheerleading despite such inconvenient issues like facts so carry on.

Who gives a shyt...

Only a [bleep] idiot get's lost in absolutes.

SPEAK TO THE ISSUE!!!! 2nd A. and judiciary.

Well there's Chief Justice Roberts who executed judicial gymnastics to let Obamacare stand.
Bush's execution of gun control and the stands of the Party's last 2 Pres hopefuls have already been referenced.
How about this... Tell me a major accomplishment that the Repubs have to their credit in the last 15 yrs having to do with the judiciary and gun control. Where have they nominated a strong principled Conservative or increased our freedom as it relates to firearms?

You've been lead to water... Now die of thirst.

Well there's Chief Justice Roberts who executed judicial gymnastics to let Obamacare stand.

Bush's execution of gun control and the stands of the Party's last 2 Pres hopefuls have already been referenced.

How about this... Tell me a major accomplishment that the Repa have to their credit in the last 15 yrs having to do with the judiciary and gun control. Where have they nominated a strong principled Conservative or increased our freedom as it relates to firearms?

Give me a principled Conservative to vote FOR rather than telling me who to vote AGAINST (any idiot can make that call) and I'll not only get behind em, but actively back them. No matter their party affiliation.
Used to be that guy was predictably GOP now days that just can't be taken for granted. Sad that some feel more allegiance to the Party than the principles.

WTF are you talking about? When Bush 43 was elected we had the Brady Act and a ban on Assault weapons and magazine restrictions.

When Bush left the White house, we had none of the above and the Heller decision, which was upheld solely by Republican appointed Supreme Court justices.

Look around the country, every Republican dominated state has lax gun laws, legalized CCW, legalized Suppressor ownership while the states with draconian gun laws are entirely Democrat controlled.

If you didn't live in a Democrat shythole, you might realize the rest of us still enjoy freedom and aren't ready to give it up to pieces of shyt like Obama, Pelosi and Chuckie Schumer.