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We just lived through this 10 fold through the housing boom and bust.

For every guy in swinging a hammer... the lumber jack, sawmill, truss yard, redimix plant, steel yard, cement mine, gravel pits, truckers, copper mines, plumbing supplies, electrical, vehicles, excavators, equipment that can pump pull lift push and demolish, secretaries, salesmen, insurances, credit lines...

It was interesting that no one understood GM's main reason it needed bailing out. GMAC financing on all those fleets and specialty orders of construction vehicles. If you think 22lf being in short supply is a pain, imagine trying to find a concrete truck, crane, boom pump, lift all, dump truck, flatbed... during the boom... and the manufacturers going balls to the walls putting them out... then eating those orders and all self financing of previous after the bust.

The cities, counties, states, and feds were eating high on the hog... county's impact fees per unit sky rocketed thousands of dollars, drunk on new riches they built fancy offices, new schools, new vehicles, wasting money. Arizona under Napalitano was one billion in the surplus, the bitch spent it on special interests, locking in budgetary mandates that guaranteed 83% of state budget, when Brewer inherited the mess she was tied to budget cuts in only 17%. After the bust the mayor of Mesa said, we had one building permit start the last two months, we do have businesses that generate revenue, but it takes a lot of shoe sales to equal one home start.

During the boom, an illegal was making 15 an hour to start as a laborer and 25 if they had any skills. Americans were making high 5 figures to low six figures for uneducated skilled workers.

Sound familiar?

When production is spurred by consumer use it produces a sound economy... when it is spurred by investment futures turnover it becomes a ponzi scheme, bubble and will burst.

Kent

Fireball, I hear you on the cutting out hunting thing. I had to give up going to my favorite spots for several years because of the costs in fuel. Its only 100 miles round trip, but thats a killer of the deal when i HAVE to be able to pay for fuel to get to work and back and anywhere else i have to be.

For two years, i rarely, if ever, saw my tank full. Now, my wife is working and we are able to put fuel in both rigs, have a few extra dollars to claw our way out of debt and even get my son a few Christmas presents.

Some simple numbers for those of you who cant seem to wrap your heads around this...

$40 is your fuel budget for two weeks.

Your car gets 15 MPG in town, 25 on the highway.

You have to drive to work and back 10 times in 14 days. In my specific case, it is 2 miles to work and back. So 4 miles all told. For my wife it is 8 miles round trip.

Now, at $4 a gallon, you get 10 gallons of fuel. That 10 gallons only nets you 150 miles in town, closer to 250 on the freeway. I am left with 110 drivable miles in town. A trip to some stores is nearly 10 miles round trip. I do my best to grocery shop in large quantities, and that means a 70 mile round trip to Costco, or Winco. My gas goes away pretty quickly. Same goes for my wife's car. And for a long time, we only had one car to do all the traveling. Take into account doctor appointments, errands, store runs for something you need or forgot, and anything else that may come up, you can see how only getting 10 gallons of fuel can limit your ability to do ANYTHING other than the bare essentials.

Now, drop the cost of fuel to $2 a gallon and see how the only thing that changes is the ability to go twice as far for the same $40, and maybe sneak in a hunt or family based activity with the leftover cash?

Why is this so hard for some people to comprehend?

Fireball has his driving to consider, and i have mine. Mine is significantly less than his, but we were both effected pretty much the same by the cost of fuel.

People couldn't pay their mortagages AND fill their tanks, dumbazz.

Fireball, I hear you on the cutting out hunting thing. I had to give up going to my favorite spots for several years because of the costs in fuel. Its only 100 miles round trip, but thats a killer of the deal when i HAVE to be able to pay for fuel to get to work and back and anywhere else i have to be.

For two years, i rarely, if ever, saw my tank full. Now, my wife is working and we are able to put fuel in both rigs, have a few extra dollars to claw our way out of debt and even get my son a few Christmas presents.

Some simple numbers for those of you who cant seem to wrap your heads around this...

$40 is your fuel budget for two weeks.

Your car gets 15 MPG in town, 25 on the highway.

You have to drive to work and back 10 times in 14 days. In my specific case, it is 2 miles to work and back. So 4 miles all told. For my wife it is 8 miles round trip.

Now, at $4 a gallon, you get 10 gallons of fuel. That 10 gallons only nets you 150 miles in town, closer to 250 on the freeway. I am left with 110 drivable miles in town. A trip to some stores is nearly 10 miles round trip. I do my best to grocery shop in large quantities, and that means a 70 mile round trip to Costco, or Winco. My gas goes away pretty quickly. Same goes for my wife's car. And for a long time, we only had one car to do all the traveling. Take into account doctor appointments, errands, store runs for something you need or forgot, and anything else that may come up, you can see how only getting 10 gallons of fuel can limit your ability to do ANYTHING other than the bare essentials.

Now, drop the cost of fuel to $2 a gallon and see how the only thing that changes is the ability to go twice as far for the same $40, and maybe sneak in a hunt or family based activity with the leftover cash?

Why is this so hard for some people to comprehend?

Fireball has his driving to consider, and i have mine. Mine is significantly less than his, but we were both effected pretty much the same by the cost of fuel.

Really? Is that all you can come up with? You really need to find something else to do, besides the internet.

Fuel/oil/gas rose very quickly triggered by Katrina not giving "cost of living" a chance to catch up. Inflation went wild on the product most of us need-food. While .gov may not include food in their formula, in my experience it's pretty damned important.

A HUGE chunk of the cost of food is oil. Tractor fuel, fertilizer (oil by product), and of course, ethanol. Of course, that didn't really matter, did it Calvin (bless your heart).

TFF

The Saudi's ain't gonna lose money in this. In the long term, they'll win. The American consumer surely isn't going to be the winner in all of this. Sure he might save some money on fuel the next year or two, but then he'll lose all that and more over the next 10.

The NA drilling/exploration was a chance to get a stable market price for oil. Once that's gone, you better be ready for fuel prices we haven't even seen yet.

You guys are missing the big picture here.

Do you think that Saudi Arabia wants to sell it's oil for 40-60 a bbl? They have the top oil economists on the planet on their payroll. They know that if they drive the price down to these levels, they can starve out our industry, and in 4-5 years have oil back up to $150 a bbl.

The Saudi's ain't gonna lose money in this. In the long term, they'll win. The American consumer surely isn't going to be the winner in all of this. Sure he might save some money on fuel the next year or two, but then he'll lose all that and more over the next 10.

The NA drilling/exploration was a chance to get a stable market price for oil. Once that's gone, you better be ready for fuel prices we haven't even seen yet.

You guys are missing the big picture here.

Do you think that Saudi Arabia wants to sell it's oil for 40-60 a bbl? They have the top oil economists on the planet on their payroll. They know that if they drive the price down to these levels, they can starve out our industry, and in 4-5 years have oil back up to $150 a bbl.

The Saudi's ain't gonna lose money in this. In the long term, they'll win. The American consumer surely isn't going to be the winner in all of this. Sure he might save some money on fuel the next year or two, but then he'll lose all that and more over the next 10.

The NA drilling/exploration was a chance to get a stable market price for oil. Once that's gone, you better be ready for fuel prices we haven't even seen yet.

I run gas, it was $1.069 CDN per litre at costco