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Not to get into a pissing match but if you spin a gyroscope as fast as you can you will see it go to sleep shortly after starting it. Not too hard to extrapolate that to something spinning 180,000 rpms.
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Not to get into a pissing match but if you spin a gyroscope as fast as you can you will see it go to sleep shortly after starting it. Not too hard to extrapolate that to something spinning 180,000 rpms. We all agree on the behavior of a gyroscope or a spinning top. The question is, assuming similar precession/nautation action for a bullet, would the bullet actually fly in a way that allowed it to shoot smaller (MOA) groups at long range compared to short range? There's a difference between rotational motion and trajectory/path. How much the precession/nautation translates into path deflection is calculated to be very small (like 1/10th of a caliber). And so far, all efforts to observe this effect with live fire have shown linear growth of groups with range. -Bryan
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Applied physics is for classes, applied shots at various distances will show what is really going on.
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If you can CONSISTENTLY shoot sub 1" groups at 300 yards, your load is where you want it. Watched a fella last month work up a load in a 308 and got it shooting where he could cover 10 shots with a penny at 300. He is now a long range high master at 1k yards. If it shoots at 300 it will shoot good at any distance.
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Applied physics is for classes, applied shots at various distances will show what is really going on. I'll be he doesn't even shoot...... 
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Applied physics is for classes, applied shots at various distances will show what is really going on. I'll be he doesn't even shoot...... Probably not..............  Or not.........
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
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I wish he had more than 34 posts in 6 years. 'Course you know the track record when folks start talking facts on the fire.
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I agree. At least all 34 posts are loaded with great info. 
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
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I prepunch my holes before hanging the target. I get much better groups that way.
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What's this guy shooting at a 1,000 yds using for a load. Need to use heavy bullets for a 1,000 yd shots. and is he a "real" shooter, ie: off the ground on his belly, with iron sights, or setting at a bench with a heavy rifle and 30X or something scope. All matches at Camp Perry (national matches) are fired at 600-1,000 from the prone, off your elbows, with iron sights. The only scope sighted match is the Wimbledon. And even there, the X ring is 10" and never been a clean on that (all in the X ring). Last time I looked, the record was 200x18Xs. I'm unaware of any High Master classification in BR shooting.
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What's this guy shooting at a 1,000 yds using for a load. Need to use heavy bullets for a 1,000 yd shots. and is he a "real" shooter, ie: off the ground on his belly, with iron sights, or setting at a bench with a heavy rifle and 30X or something scope. All matches at Camp Perry (national matches) are fired at 600-1,000 from the prone, off your elbows, with iron sights. The only scope sighted match is the Wimbledon. And even there, the X ring is 10" and never been a clean on that (all in the X ring). Last time I looked, the record was 200x18Xs. I'm unaware of any High Master classification in BR shooting. If he's using a .308(Win) he's most likely shooting F-TR. Scopes are allowed.
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Could be. But F-class is essentially benchrest shooting from on the ground. Not saying it's easy, targets only 1/2 as big scoring rings size. I'm hoping to get to one down at Camp Butner this year. Not to shoot, as much as watch and see what's going on.
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But F-class is essentially benchrest shooting from on the ground...  Shoot F-TR with a .308 at Butner and get back to me on that train of thought. Nice range, challenging winds. I've shot with Ray Gross who is the captain of the U.S. National F-TR team. Ray is a distinguished prone sling shooter, watched his transition from sling to F-TR. There is a learning curve. IIRC up until a few months ago there were only three Long Range High Masters in F-TR in the country, two of those made HM shooting F-Open.
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They weren't referring to him They were talking about OceanBlue
One shot, one kill........ It saves a lot of ammo!
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My AR10, shoots like this at 100: ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/DcHjEYx.jpg) You ought to see what it can do at 300 and 1000!!!! It would blow your fu cking mind..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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BSA.. If that isn't a 300 yard group you ain't even in the race. Lol Nice group. Ed k
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My AR10, shoots like this at 100: You ought to see what it can do at 300 and 1000!!!! It would blow your fu cking mind.. Mind ready to be blown.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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"Slide a $20.00 bill under the door"...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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