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Another major league failure by a spineless, anti American.

As to plus's or benefits, I will wait to see what DeFlave/Travis thinks of his new "Beautiful Cuban women want to meet and marry you" Catalouge that is now on its way via expedited air mail shipment to Havre MT before I pass judgement.


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Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Meh...this is long overdue.

What, a now 50 some year embargo that was to starve out commie control and induce reform?

That is the fail.

Tap it.



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I see ignorance is bliss to those that don't know (or care) about this appeasement of a regime that among their many "attributes" , besides ruining a once prosperous country to it's present sad state, nothing but trouble for the US world wide and hundreds of thousands of deaths.


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Am I the only one to see irony in his speech?
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"Neither the American or the Cuban people are well served by a policy that's rooted in events that took place before many of us were born," Obama said.

He said these were "most significant changes in our policy in more than 50 years."

"We will end an outdated approach that for decades has failed to advance our interests and, instead, we will begin to normalize relations between our two countries.".


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I'm particularly fond of Cubans, but obama has never been on the right/correct side of anything.


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Everybody but O and his minions see it.


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
Am I the only one to see irony in his speech?
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"Neither the American or the Cuban people are well served by a policy that's rooted in events that took place before many of us were born," Obama said.

He said these were "most significant changes in our policy in more than 50 years."

"We will end an outdated approach that for decades has failed to advance our interests and, instead, we will begin to normalize relations between our two countries.".



I didn't know we were having bad relations with Miami.... grin

Actually, the Cuban people are generally like people everywhere. It's the government that would have to go if it were my call.

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I'll try again, adding a single word. This is the irony. You light brown people need to STFU...that stuff happened when Obama was a little kid in Asia. Or was it Africa? Whatever...
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"Neither the American or the African American people are well served by a policy that's rooted in events that took place before many of us were born," Obama said.

He said these were "most significant changes in our policy in more than 50 years."

"We will end an outdated approach that for decades has failed to advance our interests and, instead, we will begin to normalize relations between our two countries.".


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Originally Posted by Mannlicher
agreeing with djs usually means accepting the communist point of view. It certainly does in this instance.
There is nothing good to come from changing our stance on Cuba. Nothing.


Ah Sam, you really mean "usually means accepting the moderate point of view".

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Show me how this is going to hurt the country? Because I can't see it. Maybe I'm just too ignorant of the facts. If that's the case, I'm willing to learn.


so show me how this is going to benefit America. That you can't see the harm in this, should embarrass you.
There is nothing in this that helps us. There is everything in this that will harm us. Financially, diplomatically, and from a security standpoint this harms us.
Mark my words, within a week, maybe two, obama will enter into an economic pact with Cuba, and give them many Billions of YOUR tax dollars.
Cuba has spied on us for years. Just the other day, hussein traded three of their thugs, including one that was plotting to down American planes IN AMERICA, for one lefty piece of chit of ours.
The regime there is evil incarnate.
NOTHING in this is of benefit to us. Period.


And how has 50+ years benefited the US or harmed Cuba? The majority of Cubans were poor in the 1950's under Batista and they are poor now. Cuba did have a wealthy class then, and not now, but the majority of the people were poor.

I have a friend whose step-father was Marcus Sterling, a law professor at the University of Havana and member of the Cuban Senate. He had a student (Fidel Castro) who wanted to overthrow Batista. Following the Cuban Revolution, the family fled Cuba and ended up in the US. The family always realized the futility of overthrowing Castro and are hopeful that today's developments will help the Cuban people.

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The fact that Castro wants normalized relations tells me everything I need to know.


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Originally Posted by ironbender
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Show me how this is going to hurt the country?

The influx of emigrees that will want to vote "D".


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Originally Posted by McCray
The fact that Castro wants normalized relations tells me everything I need to know.


The US embargo of Cuba is a failure. Our allies, Canada, UK, Netherlands, Japan, France, Germany, etc., all have established trading relationships with Cuba; the US is the sole major holdout. This policy has cost US companies business and jobs, which have gone to these nations trading with Cuba; we missed the boat.

Also, unless the US has daily face-to-face discussions with the Cuban government, any influence that we might have in a post-Castro era will be nil.

The only people that our embargo has hurt is the average working class Cuban; it certainly hasn't dented the lifestyle of the Castros and their croneys.


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Originally Posted by djs
Originally Posted by McCray
The fact that Castro wants normalized relations tells me everything I need to know.


The US embargo of Cuba is a failure. Our allies, Canada, UK, Netherlands, Japan, France, Germany, etc., all have established trading relationships with Cuba; the US is the sole major holdout. This policy has cost US companies business and jobs, which have gone to these nations trading with Cuba; we missed the boat.

Also, unless the US has daily face-to-face discussions with the Cuban government, any influence that we might have in a post-Castro era will be nil.

The only people that our embargo has hurt is the average working class Cuban; it certainly hasn't dented the lifestyle of the Castros and their croneys.



So, despite all our allies, Canada, UK, Netherlands, Japan, France, Germany, etc. establishing trade with Cuba, the average working class still suffers, the root cause of this hurt is our embargo, according to you?

Or is it the fact that the government is run by a dictator that is [bleep] over the working class?

Kind of like here, these days....

Let's open up trade with the Norks, and receive of their fruitful bounty as well....

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Originally Posted by djs
The US embargo of Cuba is a failure. Our allies, Canada, UK, Netherlands, Japan, France, Germany, etc., all have established trading relationships with Cuba; the US is the sole major holdout. This policy has cost US companies business and jobs, which have gone to these nations trading with Cuba; we missed the boat.


What a load of BS. There are no jobs because everything is run by the regime. Nothing is privately owned. A Rx makes the same wages as someone in the cane fields.

This is the utopia you leftist idiots yearn for.


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Originally Posted by djs
The majority of Cubans were poor in the 1950's under Batista and they are poor now. Cuba did have a wealthy class then, and not now, but the majority of the people were poor.


Pure, unadulterated leftist/democrat horsehit.
Some FACTS:
Cuba, thanks to it's close proximity to the US, was blessed by having US businesses on the island and even owned quite a bit of the infrastructure. The population had the largest MIDDLE CLASS (by US standards) than any other country in the western hemisphere (except the US).

Some more facts: The mainstay of the Cuban diet was BEEF, unlike most other Latin American countries (save Argentina) where grain is the staple (hint: you need MONEY to buy beef).

per capita use of SOAP and DETERGENTS was higher in Cuba than even the US (my dad, among other endeavors was in advertising and represented J. Walter Thompson in Cuba). HINT: if you are POOR, your first priority ain't SOAP.

The literacy rate was the highest in the Southern Hemisphere.
Cuba had more automobiles, tv sets, per capita than any other nation in the Southern Hemisphere. in fact, COLOR TV was made available FIRST in Cuba (thanks to the US of course) because there was a good TEST MARKET for the new set. HINT: an impoverished nation can't afford TVs.

The Cuban Peso was on a par with the US Dollar.
The University Of Havana Medical School partnered with Mayo and Harvard.

Yes Cuba was a single-crop economy (sugar) with a huge tourism industry, but GM. Ford & Chrysler had plants there, Exxon and Shell had refineries, United Fruit Company was heavily invested, as were the electrical and gas grids on the island.

These are just some I could think of this morning while I sit in my office. You have no idea how much leftists that call themselves moderates (incidentally, WTF is a "moderate" anyway) who spooge all over Castro since the 60s, spew that garbage that Cuba was a "poor" country. It wasn't the US for sure, but it was blessed to have been so close to the US, enjoying much of their benefits, yet retaining it's island, more laid back culture and unique way of life.

yes, it had a definitive class system (thank GOD), and nowhere near the personal freedoms we enjoy here, but it was a hell of a lot better place before Castro and his murdering thugs ruined it. So who put him in power? The Cuban "intelligentsia", aka leftist "moderates", gullible idiots (read: democrats) and with a lot of help from here with people of the same ilk. You have no phouking clue (as usual) djs.

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If this means that your government employed, free loading socialist ass goes back to Cuba, I'm all for it.

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Great post.

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government employed and socialist? do you enjoy being wrong for a living or are you just stupid as a result on inbreeding, "JoeBob"? I work for a private company, although I do enjoy my 90K plus pension in an addition to my non-government six-figure salary. Oh, and you never did respond to my query about your military service.. Thanks for making my day.


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Interesting Colin Powell response on CBS this morning....He kind of supports it BUT don't trust the Cuban Govt. Said the sanctions wont be lift anytime soon.

If you get chance watch it,let to see what others think on it.

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