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You've got a lot of magnification, but at their price point I can't imagine the clarity is on par with "serious" binoculars. Also, at any quality level, that much magnification would be useless to me when hand held.

I use Meopta Meostars.

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I use Lieca UltraVid bino's and S&B scopes.



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Originally Posted by jds44

Anyone who can't transition from binos to rifle AFTER a decision has been made to shoot in a matter of seconds needs to spend more time on the range, off the bench from field positions, learning to run their rifle and less typing on the internet.

Yes ! I have and keep with me a pair of compact binos. Doesn't mean I've had time to use them BEFORE shooting!!
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I'm 65 yo, and you have a way to go to catch up with me using firearms.

I need to find SLOW bucks. <G>

Thanks again JWP.

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LOL, different areas. If I did that, I'd mount the gun 20-30 or even 40 plus times per hunt as bucks come in and go out of my area.......


I read often here of folks going days without seeing a deer sitting and waiting.

I'd be duck hunting instead by far.



Different strokes for different folks. I grew up hunting public land back east; at that time the deer density was low, the cover they could disappear into was virtually unlimited, and the feed was (still is) plentiful enough that they didn't need to leave cover for it. Getting an opportunity at a buck was a big deal, and putting one on the ground was an achievement. Still is, but the density has improved in lots of those places.

If I hunted an area where I saw 20-30 bucks every time out, I'd grow bored pretty quickly. That holds no excitement or sense of achievement for me. And yes, I've done it.


Smoke, I"m glad I have not gotten bored. its really interesting to see which new bucks show, when, which ones aren't there. Which ones show for a day or two or a week or two never to be seen again, or to not be seen for 2 or 3 months...

That part keeps it really exciting for us.

Not to mention looking for the right buck.

While I do have feeders out, I'm doing good hunting any year regardless of if they eat or not at feeders, and many years I go a few hunts or more without ever having one come by a feeder, but I'm set up on an intersection of trails basically a funnel thats also a mini saddle if you will.

Now if I was after only a legal buck it would not get real boring either, I can make that happen before sunrise almost any opening day... Hence it can't get too boring in the matter of 20 minutes or so.

And bottom line, we can only hunt what we have access to and should be happy with that.


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Not directed at anyone specific, but spike vs doe, I"ve always been able to look at the head coloration and be suspect.
That and the hocks on the hind legs, they are just different doe to buck, even if the bucks are not tarry yet or have washed out.

I'm not saying its not possible to make a mistake but there are other things to look at when trying to make the decision at longer distances on male vs female.

Just an FYI. Look at the large picture sometimes helps. We can all get somewhat tunnel vision at times.


Listen, I'd be the first to admit I probably missed cues. On the other hand it was getting dark on an otherwise dark day. I might have held up, but this was my new rifle, my new scope, and dangit! I wanted some venison. Some days you feel like a nut and sometimes you don't.

The problem is if I've got astronomical binos and a $300 scope cranked down to 9X, I still have to be dang careful with my old eyes. I can't imagine trying to pick up a 1 inch point on a buck in those conditions.


Hey, I wasn't taking a poke at you, only a general suggestion for those that may not realize that different areas on deer of different sexes appear different once you get used to looking at them.

As to 1 inch.... the ONLY way you can see that is side profile with the head up. You don't always get that.

I'm lucky though, even though I've had corrected vision since 15 and probably needed it sooner than that, I have no distance vision to speak of, can't see a deer at 200 yards in the wide open if I take my specs off....And I'm 31 days from being 50, I can still see nubs with 10X Zeiss most times even if they are facing me.

But that ability along with a few others, is starting to slip away.

I totally hear you on nut and not nut. There are some days I go with a mission in mind. Went one day at the house after getting back from the deer lease. Really wanted to test a new bullet in the 32-20... had to reload some that afternoon. Got it done later than I wanted, kissed the wife after checking the sights, and walked to the south end. Got in pop up, zipped the back door up and looked up to see 3 bucks standing there in the brush. They were not there when I got in. Guess we got there at the same time so to speak. Nice 10, decent 8 and a spike.
Waited a minute or so until the spike stepped out. Cocked and shot him. Unzipped the back almost literally as he was running off, walked home.
Wife asked what I forgot. I said we need to go get a deer. She was in disbelief. Said that was as fast as she'd seen me "finish" ever. LOL...
I think she actually thought I was fooling her until we foudn the blood trail...
Hmmm, come to think of it, that was a good deer trail, no binocs, no scope... just irons an an 1892...


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Originally Posted by jwall

I'm 65 yo, and you have a way to go to catch up with me using firearms.


Just because you've been doing something a long time, doesn't mean you're doing it right. I would not knowingly hunt or allow my kids to hunt anywhere around you. Anybody that uses their rifle scope to ID their targets ain't safe to be around. Don't know how much plainer I can put it.

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Originally Posted by n007
In Canada we can tell the difference between a human and a deer with the naked eye, nor do we need the requirement of blaze orange apparel.


I've run into one of those guys. I watched him scope 'something', I came up from behind him on an ATV and he was stopped scoping something. I pulled down his rifle and I asked 'Deer?'

He said no, it was a tree. I asked WTF are you using your rifle to identify, as I hunt these areas too. He said he could tell the difference between a person and a deer.

I said REALLY, you couldn't tell the difference between a tree and a deer.


Many people are kid themselves. Lots of folks around here with 1 year of experience 65 times. Lots of 'You can't do that here' type of provincialism.

Lots of simple things baffle lots of people and because so they assume no one else can do it to.

It's evident in a bunch of these posts. Funny stuff


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Originally Posted by jds44
Originally Posted by jwall

I'm 65 yo, and you have a way to go to catch up with me using firearms.


Just because you've been doing something a long time, doesn't mean you're doing it right. I would not knowingly hunt or allow my kids to hunt anywhere around you. Anybody that uses their rifle scope to ID their targets ain't safe to be around. Don't know how much plainer I can put it.


Let's say I had a Doe tag. I wouldn't be using my scope to ID these two at around 50 yards and I don't know how much plainer I can put it.

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And yes, if I forgot my binos I would go back home to get them.
That being said, they are there and I appreciate what they can do. But it doesn't mean they are always needed for every situation.

Another poster mentioned hunters using Binos in Pa. He is correct, damn few have any. I wish more did.

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Originally Posted by jwall
Originally Posted by jds44

Anyone who can't transition from binos to rifle AFTER a decision has been made to shoot in a matter of seconds needs to spend more time on the range, off the bench from field positions, learning to run their rifle and less typing on the internet.

Yes ! I have and keep with me a pair of compact binos. Doesn't mean I've had time to use them BEFORE shooting!!
Originally Posted by jwall
msq. richdhunter, jwp, rost. etc.
Some things just have to be experienced to be understood.
Words, descriptions, & paragraphs can't make reality, a reality to others!
THANKS
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REDUX !!
jds44>>this is for YOU!

I'm 65 yo, and you have a way to go to catch up with me using firearms.

I need to find SLOW bucks. <G>

Thanks again JWP.


jwall I agree with you.
For someone to say that you are an unsafe hunter based on using your scope to determine legality has serious reading and comprehension skills.

IF a Hunter KNOWS for sure it is a deer then no harm nor foul has been done to determine whether it has enough points to be legal or not.

IF a hunter was pointing a rifle at something to determine WHAT it is that would be unsafe.

BUT that is not what you are talking about.

Pay no attention to anyone that tells you that they would not feel safe hunting around you nor let their kids hunt around you based on your use of a rifle scope to identify legality of a deer in the MANNER in which you presented.

Who cares whether they FEEL safe??

Personally I would not feel safe hunting around anyone who didn,t have the reading and comprehension skills to understand what you are talking about.

Yes I own and use binos often BUT I do understand what you are talking about.

I KNOW when I am looking at a damned deer and there is NO problem using the scope to make sure it is legal.
IF I have ANY question as to what I am looking at, I will use the binos.


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Go back and re-read the OPs posts on this thread. He can't remember once in the last 3 years that he would have had time to use binos. He's not just using his scope to determine legality, he's using it to ID targets too. Someone's got a comprehension problem alright, but it ain't me.

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Just because he doesn,t use Binos to Id target doesn,t mean Jack Squat.
IF he KNOWS its a deer and turns his power ring up to make sure it is a LEGAL deer to shoot what friggin difference does it make !

Time to use Binoculars to see if there are enough points to be LEGAL does not equate to needing Binos to determine that it is in fact a deer.

Yeah the Comprehension problem IS YOURS.


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bcraig -

Yes, it's pretty simple>>with reading AND comprehension skills.

When you can SEE deer DURING GUN deer season, it is NOT unethical NOR unsafe to point a rifle at it. It's kinda hard to shoot or kill a deer without pointing a GUN at it.

I don't know how much simpler or plainer it can be.

Thank You

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Originally Posted by jwall
Originally Posted by hangunnr
I was brought up with the rule that you don't point your gun at anything you don't want to shoot. How many times have you seen a flash of color in the woods and leveled your rifle on it only to find out it's Billyjoejimbob your neighbor out walking his dog.
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To answer your ?.

I have NEVER repeat NEVER scoped 'something' to find out it was a PERSON!!

I was raised and taught proper gun handling and hunting 'ethics'. I would NOT like being scoped nor 'ironed'...so I don't do it !!

Your ASSumption that I have is too, laughable.


jds44 Try just TRY to read this and comprehend !!


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Originally Posted by jwall

I have NEVER repeat NEVER scoped 'something' to find out it was a PERSON!!

I was raised and taught proper gun handling and hunting 'ethics'. I would NOT like being scoped nor 'ironed'...so I don't do it !!

I'm sure I'm wasting my time but here goes ONE MORE TIME!!

jds - this quote is from PAGE 8

Now where are your reading & comprehension skills?

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jwall I have my serious doubts jds44 is going to get it !


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That line is an admission you've scoped things you didn't know what they were. So far, you've been lucky that none turned out to be a person. So far.

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You boys just keeping doing what you do. Hopefully you'll never make a fatal mistake.

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Originally Posted by jds44
That line is an admission you've scoped things you didn't know what they were. So far, you've been lucky that none turned out to be a person. So far.


jwall,what did I tell you !


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No, I think I'm starting to see the light: A deer, no matter how close or obvious, is not really a deer unless viewed with binoculars first. Now, would this principle also apply to things like bird hunting? After they flush, to be ethical should I also look at grouse and pheasants through the binoculars before I point the gun at them? Just checking for clarification.

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